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This is why I love(d) Madoka Magica

Madoka Magica has the per­fect one-two combo to utterly tank with its end­ing. Firstly, a large part of the shows appeal is the shock value from plot twists and reveals. Not to under­rate the overly­ing themes in the anime, but the twists lose their value sig­ni­fic­antly in ret­ro­spect if the end­ing they were lead­ing up to fails jus­tify the emo­tional energy you put into them. Secondly, the char­ac­ters are for­get­table. Their stor­ies are fas­cin­at­ing, but as people they have little per­son­al­ity that I can bring myself to care about.

I can think of two anime that had these two points plus a miser­able end­ing that caused my opin­ion of the show to tank com­pared to my enthu­si­asm I had for it while watch­ing it, those two anime being Ride Back and Mai Hime. While Madoka Magica is a sig­ni­fic­antly bet­ter show than both of these, these points about the reli­ance on plot twists and for­get­table char­ac­ters remain the same. As of time of writ­ing, Madoka Magica has had 10 out of it’s planned 12 epis­ode run aired and is cur­rently set up beau­ti­fully and dan­ger­ously for a dread­ful end­ing. This post is both to explain to those of you now why I love this show and a mes­sage to future me, should the end­ing tank, that there was a reason why I was so enthu­si­astic about Madoka Magica.

Fair warn­ing: There will be spoil­ers, up to epis­ode 10.

I hes­it­ate to use the word ‘sub­ver­sion’ when describ­ing Madoka Magica, as it’s a word thrown around by many, not under­stand­ing what it is Madoka is sub­vert­ing in the first place. What I see is a group of girls, who oth­er­wise would spend their time eat­ing cake, being cute and gen­er­ally being insuf­fer­ably nice to each other, hav­ing great powers given to them and then made to suf­fer because of it. This power is that of hav­ing their wish gran­ted in exchange for being a magical girl, some­thing other magical girl anime, and anime stor­ies in gen­eral, paint as being a glor­i­ous thing. How­ever in Madoka Magica, this wish and power bring each char­ac­ter noth­ing but des­pair. Not only do their lives effect­ively end because they became magical girls and suf­fer in the gruelling battles against the witches, their wishes that are meant to be an equi­val­ent trade off bring them noth­ing but more mis­for­tune as well.

Sub­ver­sion or not, the main appeal of Madoka Magica is what a per­fectly told story it is. There’s a very delib­er­ate and clear path behind each character’s devel­op­ment. While she is far from the fan favour­ite, I’ve been find­ing Kaname Madoka’s devel­op­ment the most fas­cin­at­ing, espe­cially in con­trast with altern­ate dimen­sion Madoka in epis­ode 10. Because of her own wimp­i­ness and not becom­ing a magical girl, she keeps draw­ing more and more into her­self, get­ting increas­ingly depressed with everything that hap­pens to the girls around her. Shaft’s anim­a­tion, often one that is more gimicky than use­ful, add hugely to the story-telling here. The altern­ate dimen­sions of the witches are fright­en­ing and bizarre places. The back­grounds have become increas­ingly dreary as the series goes on, mim­ick­ing the change in tone and depres­sion of Madoka. Also spe­cial credit has to be given for the way they frame Kyubey.

Kyubey is mag­ni­fi­cent. In a show with a cast of rather for­get­table char­ac­ters, if mem­or­able stor­ies, Kyubey stands out as the most fas­cin­at­ing and deadly vil­lain since Johan Liebert of Mon­ster. Again, full credit has to be given to Shaft’s art­work and how they frame Kyubey. How his shad­ows cast over the girls, stand­ing on their shoulders or their win­dowsills, push­ing Madoka into becom­ing a magical girl her­self. How they fre­quently draw atten­tion to his unmov­ing expres­sion, one that doesn’t change no mat­ter what latest cata­strophe these girls he per­son­ally made magical girls face.

But what really makes him so chilling is how he simply doesn’t under­stand. What we and the char­ac­ters see as evil is at a level he can­not com­pre­hend. Kyubey isn’t evil, and never was, which is pre­cisely why he works so well. Pos­sibly the best line in the anime came in his con­ver­sa­tion with Madoka and why he made them magical girls, say­ing “if you feel like sac­ri­fi­cing your­self for the uni­verse, give me a call”. The heat death of the uni­verse is so far bey­ond any­thing Madoka her­self can com­pre­hend or care about, entropy not hav­ing any effect for a bizz­lion odd years, but equally Kyubey can’t under­stand why his actions cause the girls to hate him so much.

There are some prob­lems with Madoka Magica though. Well, one spe­cific prob­lem. The char­ac­ters are dull. Their stor­ies are fas­cin­at­ing, cer­tainly. I’ve got­ten pretty emo­tion­ally inves­ted in the wimpy­ness of Madoka and Homerun-chan the time trav­el­ling les­bian, but as people they simply don’t have much per­son­al­ity. Without Kyubey, this would just be yet another anime about a bunch of incred­ibly dull girls being insuf­fer­ably nice to each other, except with some occa­sion­ally nice visu­als. Well, not all nice visu­als. I’m rather par­tial to the square-head design of the char­ac­ters, but their facial fea­tures go rather array when the shot of it is any­thing other than a close-up.

Over­all though, Madoka Magica is pretty fant­astic anime. It’s per­fectly con­struc­ted and very delib­er­ately paced, keep­ing enough rev­el­a­tions with each epis­ode to keep it riv­et­ing while keep­ing to the themes of the story without des­cend­ing into shock tac­tics for the sake of keep­ing out interest. They have to keep the twists com­ing, oth­er­wise the story would flounder when stuck with these bor­ing char­ac­ters, but it hasn’t done that once over the course of the show. Well, per­haps bar the first two epis­odes, but the speed at which it upped the ante after set­ting the scene means I’m will­ing to for­give the show for that.

So that is why I love(d) Madoka Magica. The end­ing still has the capa­city to capit­u­late, although after epis­ode 10 I have more faith in them pro­du­cing an end­ing I’m happy with. If so, then the main point of this post is made redund­ant. How­ever if I can trade one of my posts being made use­less in return for a Cart Driver qual­ity level end­ing for Madoka, then I’m more than happy to do so.

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50 Comments

  1. Posted March 12, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    If you find the char­ac­ters so dull, then why did you put any emo­tional energy in the story to begin with? Obvi­ously you care about them to some extent, oth­er­wise all the plot twists wouldn’t be get­ting to you.

    It’s a moot point any­way, since I saw pretty much every twist com­ing a mile away, with the pos­sible excep­tion of Homura’s time powers. This is not because these plot points are cliche, but because they are per­fectly fore­shad­owed. As for the char­ac­ters… well, Kurt Von­negut once said that a good writer can break all the rules and get away with it. In Urobuchi’s case, that means he can write a ter­rific and com­pel­ling story even with some­what dull characters.

    Also, it’s dif­fi­cult to apply the word “sub­ver­sion” to a whole show, since examples of sub­ver­sion are usu­ally more spe­cific. It would be more accur­ate to call it a decon­struc­tion of the magical girl genre.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 12, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

      Call­ing the show a decon­struc­tion of its genre isn’t much bet­ter if you ask me. Such dis­cus­sion should be had after the whole pic­ture is vis­ible i.e. after the show has ended. Mak­ing some­thing grimdark/grimderp does not make it a decon­struc­tion imme­di­ately, it just means you’re an asshole to your char­ac­ters. Ymmv of course.

      • Posted March 12, 2011 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

        I agree, so far the writer hasn’t really played with the com­pon­ents of the magical girl genre, he was just really really mean to it.

    • Hogart
      Posted March 12, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

      > This is not because these plot points are cliche, but because they are per­fectly foreshadowed.

      Isn’t “per­fect” fore­shad­ow­ing when you didn’t see it com­ing, except in ret­ro­spect and per­haps after wad­ing through a sea of ruddy herring?

      Madoka has been noth­ing but obvi­ous and cliched fore­shad­ow­ing in a sea of expos­i­tion and dra­matic tragedy. Unless, of course, you’re too inex­per­i­enced with it’s genres or any­thing like them (at which point wake the hell up, you’ve prob­ably seen a ton of movies or even anime that were sim­ilar in spirit, if not in theme).

      > In Urobuchi’s case, that means he can write a ter­rific and com­pel­ling story even with some­what dull characters.

      YMMV for sure. What is really so “com­pel­ling” about this anime for so many people? I’m enjoy­ing it, but maybe it’s because I’ve read Goethe, and watched a ton of other “dark” anime that I don’t feel com­pelled to defend it as some sort of masterpiece?

      > It would be more accur­ate to call it a decon­struc­tion of the magical girl genre.

      I dis­agree, definition-wise. If you com­pare it to a stock mahou shoujo, what has been decon­struc­ted? What about it’s rather hum­drum applic­a­tion of Faust? It isn’t going around try­ing to decon­struct the genre, it is too busy try­ing to suc­cess­fully wed it with Faust, while jug­gling a time travel angle.

      In fact I think it’s a GOOD thing they aren’t try­ing to decon­struct any genre. It wouldn’t be very dif­fi­cult, but Madoka has other fish to fry and not a lot of time to do so.

      I think people are very quick to pidgeon­hole shows like this, as though they MUST be a decon­struc­tion of the genre, or at least sub­vert all of it’s tropes. Why? Can’t it just be a good, solid show that apes mater­ial com­pet­ently from it’s two core genres?

      • Posted March 13, 2011 at 4:55 am | Permalink

        Con­sid­er­ing that a good deal of the fore­shad­ow­ing is visual, and major­ity of view­ers had to have the visual ques poin­ted out to them,
        I have no idea how you could say it’s obvi­ous. Yes some of it was blatantly obvi­ous, and actu­ally expec­ted the viewer to fig­ure it out before it happened.

        To be hon­est, yes it’s flawed. What’s com­pel­ling is this really has the poten­tial, if it doesn’t fuck it up, to be a clas­sic among the magical girl genre, mainly because Madoka is so dark for a magical girl show, and that makes it stand out. It also stands out bet­ter then Bri­ga­doon did.

        I guess the thing is, every­one has storytelling styles they don’t like. I love the way the story it told. Yes, I’ve seen it before in plenty of movies and stor­ies, but I still love the way it’s being done in Madoka. Why is that a prob­lem? Per­son­ally, I don’t see TTGL as any­thing spe­cial but other people do, and hey, that’s cool.

        But what does Madoka have that makes it com­pel­ling? A visual com­pon­ent is what I’d say. The visual com­pon­ent is not only what Scamp describes, but mem­or­able. The images stick with you after the show is fin­ished. Whether the images are chosen care­fully or not, they have a lot of impact.

      • Anonymous
        Posted March 13, 2011 at 9:13 am | Permalink

        >Madoka has been noth­ing but obvi­ous and cliched fore­shad­ow­ing
        >in a sea of expos­i­tion and dra­matic tragedy.

        Wow you mean you knew the OP was from Homura’s view? Or you meant you were using hind­sight :D

        To ensure you’re not just using hind­sight, per­haps you would like to enlighten the poor people here what is the end­ing? It must be obvi­ous and cliched from your exper­i­enced view­point right? State it out and lets see true the “obvi­ous and cliched” part is.

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:19 am | Permalink

      *sigh* this is why I hes­it­ated to men­tioned that accursed word ‘sub­ver­sion’. Every Madoka dis­cus­sion then dis­solves into argu­ments over what it’s decon­struct­ing and whether it’s sub­ver­sion or not and so on. It’s like how you never get any decent con­ver­sa­tions about moe because every­one is too busy arguing over what it actu­ally is.

    • Posted March 15, 2011 at 9:19 am | Permalink

      um, you can totally be inves­ted in a plot and care noth­ing about the char­ac­ters. just like how you can be totally inves­ted in some char­ac­ters and care jack shit about what hap­pens plot-wise. it’s just enter­tain­ment. very simple.

      any­ways, in my opin­ion *ducks behind a build­ing*, madoka is no sub­ver­sion or decon­struc­tion or whatever. just a darker take on mahou shoujo. noth­ing more, really.

  2. fathomlessblue
    Posted March 12, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    You’ve made a lot excel­lent points, par­tic­u­larly regardi­ing the over­use of the word sub­ver­sion in decrib­ing the show, and the effect­ive­ness of not turn­ing Kyubey into a cut n’ paste evil villian.

    I do sort of dis­agree with your neg­at­ive stance over the char­ac­ters being bor­ing. It’s not that I think they aren’t; they’re as cliche as you can get, but at the same time I do believe that was always the point.

    There are many clash­ing ele­ments in the show that are delib­er­ately made to be as jar­ring as pos­sible. The envir­on­ments are the most obvi­ous examples; take the bright and clean (if som­what sterile) safe places like the school or Madoka’s home, com­pared with the dark, dirty inner-city land­scapes, and of course going even fur­ther, the dis­or­i­ent­at­ing paperm­a­tion of the witch realms.

    I’ve always viewed the char­ac­ter­isa­tion in Madoka as fol­low­ing the same prin­ciple. More realistic/interesting char­ac­ters wouldn’t make the show any less grip­ping to watch, but would prob­ably alter the tone, and if not dull, then cer­tainly change the impact of some of the more shock­ing scenes. Given dif­fer­ent char­ac­ters, I can hon­estly see Madoka morph­ing into some­thing closer to Simoun, or a show like that; it just wouldn’t be the same series. By mak­ing the character’s into bland otaku-pandering K-on extras (although I do actu­ally love that show), an addi­tional sense of wrong­ness is achieved by put­ting them through hor­rific situ­ations, out­side of the slice-of-life/comedy com­fort zones they’d tra­di­tion­ally be asso­ci­ated with. I think it makes scenes like Sayako’s break­down, or Mami’s attempt to kill every­one in the most recent ep all the more power­ful, as it com­pletely goes against their lacklustre ste­reo­typ­ical roles as a sup­port­ive best friend and mentor fig­ure respectively.

    Of course the char­ac­ters aren’t as inter­est­ing as a res­ult, but given the choice between a more fas­cin­at­ing cast, and a selec­tion that suits the series’ styl­istic sense of dis­son­ance, I’m hap­pier Shaft went with the lat­ter, as it’s part of what makes the show so unique.

    And of course in todays moe lov­ing times, bland char­ac­ters = big­ger sales. How else would you explain the pop­ular­ity of Ore no Imouto… actu­ally don’t answer that…

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

      So what you’re say­ing is Madoka Magica is a sub­ver­sion of the girls being insuf­fer­ably nice to each other genre? OH NO, I SAID THE FORBIDDEN WORD!!!

      But yeah, I get what you’re say­ing that the show would have been very dif­fer­ent if they had some proper per­son­al­it­ies. How­ever the point does remain that they are bor­ing people and the show suf­fers in other ways because of that.

  3. Hogart
    Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Madoka doesn’t have time to make the char­ac­ters com­pel­ling. You bring the char­ac­ters to life your­self in a story like this. In fact, I’d argue that the worst thing they did in this series was give the char­ac­ters exposition-heavy back­stor­ies, rather than just show­ing us who they are as people.

    The prob­lem is that IF they made us like the char­ac­ters bey­ond a token man­ner, we might be genu­inely upset when they died or some­thing (and drama whores would be utterly des­troyed, given their nigh-insane reac­tions to Mami’s death).

    Madoka squandered a lot of it’s effort by twist­ing exactly where you’d expect it was twist­ing (if you paid a little atten­tion). It wasn’t that the fore­shad­ow­ing was great, but that the show just isn’t chal­len­ging des­pite hav­ing so much room to wiggle.

    Now we’re just on this train to get to the des­tin­a­tion, and per­haps enjoy the scenery when it isn’t in a tun­nel of angst. If the des­tin­a­tion is worth­while, all will be for­given. Oth­er­wise it’ll just be another one of those anime who’s 15 minutes will be up once people real­ize how idi­otic it really was.

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

      Someone doesn’t like the praise this show has been get­ting =P

      I don’t entirely get what your prob­lem with the show is though. Too obvi­ous? Really? You knew Madoka would never become a magical girl and keep draw­ing in on her­self with every epis­ode? You knew after the first epis­ode that it would get this grim­dark? That all of Madoka’s friends would die? In ret­ro­spect you can see that they set up all these things per­fectly, but I don’t see how you could have pre­dicted all these plot points.

      • Posted March 13, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

        Nobody prob­ably could, but what people usu­ally mean by pre­dict­ab­il­ity is that the story falls in a cer­tain mar­gin of viewer expect­a­tions. Because the story is still essen­tially about ang­sty teens grow­ing up, it makes me face­palm hard when I see fans cream­ing their pants over cheap gim­micks such as entropy or time travel, which have, to a degree, sab­ot­aged an oth­er­wise very enter­tain­ing show. But then again, I real­ize that younger audi­ences will more likely accept the show than this old grunt who has seen it all. I’m not say­ing Madoka is a bad show, far from it, but I had slightly higher expect­a­tions than this.

      • Posted March 13, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        I don’t know why the time travel is a cheap gimmick?

        Without it, we wouldn’t see the char­ac­ter devel­op­ment that Madoka is lack­ing by not being a magical girl, among other things. As being a magical girl is presen­ted as the path to adult­hood (all magical series present being a magical girl as the path to matur­ity and adult­hood), and the dark nature of being a magical girl, I think it adds a lot to see how being a magical girl affected Madoka positively.

      • Scamp
        Posted March 13, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

        Col­our me baffled by your reac­tion too. How does the time travel sab­ot­age the anime? It was worked per­fectly into the story. As for the entropy, that works because of how it is totally bey­ond what Madoka can under­stand in the same way emo­tions are bey­ond what Kyubey can understand.

        If you’re an older grunt than me, surely you should have seen it all and there­fore be more impressed by some­thing that skil­fully uses pre-existing tropes than start look­ing for some­thing purely original.

      • Posted March 13, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

        Non-originality has noth­ing to do with my dis­sat­is­fac­tion, if any­thing, it’s that time travel is the easi­est way to solve prob­lems of an ambi­tious writer who has lost the grip on his story. The thing I’m most dis­ap­poin­ted about is that the story before Ground­hog Day was per­fectly fine and didn’t need this device at all. For all intents and pur­poses, I believe Urobu­chi used it purely for the cool­ness factor, because we all know there’s some­thing inher­ently cool about being able to change past mis­takes. Now that I think about it, it’s not such a bad choice con­sid­er­ing Madoka caters to teen­agers first and fore­most, but the writer cer­tainly stopped try­ing to invent some­thing new, which is the biggest descriptor of fail­ure I can think of.

        As for the entropy thing… Sorry, it was pulled out of an ass.

      • Posted March 14, 2011 at 12:09 am | Permalink

        Sorry, but we’ll have to agree to dis­agree. To me, there was more to to Homura being a time trav­eler then “just because it’s cool,” and I have no idea how you can dis­miss it at just that. The story had many loose ends that the other timelines were able to tie up for the audi­ence, mainly, why regard­ing why wimpy Madoka mattered and why it mattered so much she didn’t become a magical girl, which are the ques­tions people asked the most.

        But being an avid reader and movie watcher, I’m also a fan of the say­ing “Ori­gin­al­ity is dead.” I think if an author can make some­thing that’s been done before work and have a sat­is­fy­ing story, that’s bet­ter, then try­ing for some­thing new and hav­ing a con­fus­ing non­sense story (Angel Beats any­one?) as a res­ult. So I guess that’s the main conflict.

        And sorry for hijack­ing Scamp. You just have such inter­est­ing commenters.

  4. Posted March 13, 2011 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    12 epis­odes always seemed like too little time to tell the kind of story that Madoka poten­tially could. I agree on the char­ac­ters them­selves not being so com­pel­ling, so I sup­pose if they had to cut some­thing then cut­ting some char­ac­ter devel­op­ment for them in exchange for greater focus on the story and themes was a good decision.

    I share some of your worry about the end­ing liv­ing up to how good the series has been. But I have con­fid­ence that the pro­duc­tion team can make it hap­pen. Espe­cially after the most recent epis­ode, damn, that was one of the best single epis­odes I’ve seen in a long time.

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

      I’ve seen some back­lash over epis­odes 8–10, but those were the ones that finally pushed me over the edge to giv­ing this a 9 on MAL. It’s showed how per­fectly this story has been con­struc­ted from the off and gives me more faith in them pro­du­cing a per­fect ending

  5. Posted March 13, 2011 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    I like the char­ac­ters, but while they’re not the most com­plex char­ac­ters, they’re fleshed out enough to work, and I’ve seen worse. What I really like how­ever is the storytelling, and that there is fore­shad­ow­ing, so when the plot twists come, they don’t feel like they were pulled at someone’s ass.

    I know a lot of people don’t think as highly over it as I do, but to me, Madoka is fas­cin­at­ing on mul­tiple levels. Though if the end­ing dis­ap­points, I’ll still be glad I spent the time on it, but at the same time, I’ll wish I didn’t write all those posts about it. XD

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

      The closest the show got to pulling a twist out of it’s ass was the entropy thing. How­ever, as I explained in the post, I loved that scene because of how totally bey­ond Madoka the prob­lem was entropy was to her. Her friends are all dying, how can she bring her­self to care about the heat death of the uni­verse a bizzilion years after she dies?

      • averaen
        Posted March 15, 2011 at 2:57 am | Permalink

        I also really enjoyed the entropy scene. A lot of fan­dom got com­plete caught up in the plaus­ib­il­ity of the sci­ence, or the fact that ‘scifi’ was invad­ing their magical girl show. They have missed the point entirely though, it’s all about how much bey­ond Madoka this is.

        I’ve really enjoyed the char­ac­ter of QB. He’s a great ant­ag­on­ist. Emo­tions and the human situ­ation are com­pletely bey­ond his grasp. He’s strug­gling with the death of all things. What I find really inter­est­ing about the his char­ac­ter is the mod­ern take on ‘mes­tipholes’ or a demonic force.

        On one hand you have an demon tempt­ing people for the abstract idea of acquir­ing souls for satan. Now the human myth­o­logy is begin­ning to mod­ern­ize, and you have QB col­lect­ing human suf­fer­ing to pre­vent the heat death of the uni­verse. It’s an inter­est­ing jux­ta­pos­i­tion of the mod­ern on the historic.

      • Scamp
        Posted March 15, 2011 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

        Exactly! I’m going to use your first para­graph for whenever I hear another per­son bitch­ing about the entropy scene. They missed the bril­liance of it!

  6. averaen
    Posted March 13, 2011 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    After epis­ode 9 I was feel­ing much they way you are. I was con­cerned the series had tapped out early. It had relied too heav­ily on shocks & twists, and was going to have noth­ing left for the last few episodes.

    Epis­ode 10 has reminded me that the show isn’t just reli­ant on its twists. It also has an amaz­ing level of exe­cu­tion. Everything is timed and presen­ted so damn per­fectly. I’m look­ing for­ward to the end­ing again, even though it’s essen­tially a will she/won’t she at this point.

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

      Is it just a will she/won’t she though? I remem­ber people com­plain­ing after epis­ode 3 that they should have just made Madoka a magical girl at the end of the epis­ode instead of wait­ing until the next epis­ode. Since then, I’ve been wary of mak­ing any blanket state­ments about what the pur­pose of Madoka Magica is

  7. Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Great post~ I can only agree with you.
    Do you think (when the end­ing is good) that it will find a place in your top 30?

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

      Yes, albeit where it places I have no idea. It doesn’t give me the same rush that many of my other favour­ites have. Instead it has that same ‘per­fec­tion of storytelling’ that Ber­serk had, which makes it much harder to judge until a while after I’ve com­pleted it.

      Ber­serk is still bet­ter though

  8. Posted March 13, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    I hon­estly don’t care if the girls have great per­son­al­it­ies and are com­pletely people-ish or not. Usu­ally I do, I want the char­ac­ters I’m watch­ing to be multi-faceted, just like people in the real world. But the story of Madoka and the events just have me too cap­tiv­ated to be wor­ried about per­son­al­it­ies bey­ond the basics.

    And I agree with you–the end of this anime could fail fant­ast­ic­ally. Here’s hop­ing it doesn’t do that.

  9. Posted March 14, 2011 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    I want more magical girls with machine guns.

  10. ~xxx
    Posted March 14, 2011 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    I want to take machine guns and lots of ammo to beat the crap out of Kyubey…

    • Posted March 15, 2011 at 5:28 am | Permalink

      I think you can’t. Kyubey eats her corpse. She lives like a cat with nine tails.

  11. luffyluffy
    Posted March 14, 2011 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Awk­ward ques­tion, but what’s going to hap­pen to the blog now that 90% of the anime you blog hasn’t been show­ing, and we’ve no idea when it comes back?

    • Scamp
      Posted March 14, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

      Dif­fi­cult to know because, as you said, nobody knows when these stuff are going to come back on the air again. It cer­tainly messes up any new sea­son plans I had and will make the next chart pretty awk­ward to con­struct when I have no idea if half of them will air this spring or not.

      In short, I have no idea. I have plenty of posts stocked up so the blog won’t go quiet or any­thing. But I have no idea what’s going to hap­pen to anime pro­duc­tion in gen­eral. I can only prom­ise that this blog won’t go quiet. Bey­ond that…

      • luffyluffy
        Posted March 14, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

        Blog Hetalia and catch up? or blog stuff that’s finished?

      • Posted March 15, 2011 at 1:23 am | Permalink

        It’s time for a new tem­por­ary fea­ture ripped off from JP and Hinano’s blog.

        What We Forced Scamp To Watch This Week.

      • Scamp
        Posted March 15, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

        I already did that. Except it was called What We Forced Scamp To Watch That He Already Tried To Watch And Didn’t Like The First Time Around This Week

      • Posted March 15, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

        Yeah, blog Hetalia. I missed that.

      • Posted March 15, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

        But this time, you don’t get a choice to drop it if you don’t like it the first time. =D

        Actu­ally, I really miss those. They were a blast to read.

      • luffyluffy
        Posted March 15, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

        Let’s face it Scamp. We’re going to sit on you till you throw Hetalia back into blogroll.

      • Elysium
        Posted March 28, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

        Don’t just blog Hetalia– blog the ENGLISH DUB of Hetalia. See which is more awe­some. :D

  12. Posted March 15, 2011 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    only watched up to ep 7 so far, will watch the rest later.

    i have to say that with all the praise i was hear­ing every­where, i was expect­ing a little bit more…complexity? bah, nev­er­mind, i was look­ing for more lit­er­ary expos­i­tion like tutu *guilty* not that this show isn’t good. it’s enter­tain­ing. as far as dark shows go. it’s like a mahou shoujo dir­ec­ted by dar­ren aronof­sky with a touch of the mon­key fin­ger chapter from xxxholic.

    i guess i’ll reply later once i’ve watched the rest and my opinion’s changed ;/

    • Scamp
      Posted March 15, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

      It leapt up from an 8/10 to 9/10 with the latest epis­odes. Again though, I believe the main appeal is the per­fec­tion of the story telling bey­ond any com­plex­ity or sub­ver­sion (oh no, the for­bid­den word!)

      • Posted March 15, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

        watched the rest. you do have a point: the suc­cess of this anime is highly depend­ent on the qual­ity of the storytelling here, which so far has been pretty good. only down­fall is that if the end­ing turns out to be crappy, everything else will fall down with it and the story will be per­ceived as stu­pid. i’m hav­ing flash­backs to evan­gelion where i ini­tially thought the story was awe­some but then the end­ing came and now i hate the anime to pieces. noth­ing else about it really cap­tiv­ated me (i hated most of the char­ac­ters). i’m half expect­ing madoka to just turn into a mahou shoujo by the end to drive the angst into max­imum overdrive.

        hmmm, it’s unfor­tu­nate that the anime drove itself into this corner. early on i think it had a lot of poten­tial to weave some kind of other subtle com­plex­ity into the story to make itself much more than just the qual­ity of its plot. i really liked the jux­ta­pos­i­tion of madoka against her mother in the begin­ning. madoka longs to be strong and mature like her mother while her mother urges her to grow up so they can be adults together. in the mahou shoujo terms of this story, this means being witches together. it would have been inter­est­ing to see madoka’s mother some­how be a real witch and then madoka would have the dilemma of killing her mother and facing the con­sequences of that. it’s weird that such a minor char­ac­ter like madoka’s mother is really the only char­ac­ter im inter­ested in in this series. such poten­tial. sigh. oh well.

        *real­izes she wrote a freak­ing paper in a com­ment* <_<;

      • Posted March 16, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

        Well, in your opin­ion, what would be a good end­ing?
        Juts interested.

      • Posted March 17, 2011 at 3:45 am | Permalink

        are you ask­ing me or him? D:

        i dont know what i’d con­sider a good end­ing. dif­fi­cult to say since i’m usu­ally a little dis­ap­poin­ted if i can pre­dict the end­ing to an anime that’s so reli­ant on plot twists and the like. i guess i would be sat­is­fied with a full-on angst end­ing, but i wouldn’t be impressed.

        what i WOULDN’T want: ran­dom happy end­ing out of nowhere where every­one is safe and cheer­ful (though i dont think this anime will do that, not if it has any integ­rity), deus ex mach­i­nas, or some ran­dom plot twist about some loop­hole or some­thing in kyubey’s plan.

  13. luffyluffy
    Posted March 15, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Good News: Madoka should pro­ceed without delays until the end..

    • Scamp
      Posted March 16, 2011 at 2:31 am | Permalink

      I would doubt many of the anime end­ing this sea­son would be delayed because I would have thought they’d all have been fin­ished anim­at­ing by now. Next sea­son is a totally dif­fer­ent mat­ter thought

      • luffyluffy
        Posted March 16, 2011 at 3:36 am | Permalink

        Well sev­eral anime are delayed in AIRING because of news coverage…

        Plus, SHAFT are silly.

  14. Rincewind
    Posted March 16, 2011 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    Mmmm­hhh… guys, TV Tropes gonna ruin your lives… no, wait. Its late. :D

    Sub­ver­sions, decon­truc­tions and other tropes aside, Im really enjoy­ing a lot Madoka. I like the char­ac­ters, by the way.
    Hope­fuly they going to do a decent end­ing… but in the worse of the scen­arios was a awe­some ride.

    Its remind­ing me of Mai-Hime… I still have mixed feel­ings about the end­ing. But Its still one of my favor­ites animes. And some part of me, like the ending.

  15. Elysium
    Posted March 28, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    I’m still watch­ing Madoka (I’m at epis­ode 5 right now… yep, I’m so late), and I love it. It sat­is­fies my need for a hor­ror anime of this sort.

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