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This is why I love(d) Madoka Magica

Madoka Magica has the perfect one-two combo to utterly tank with its ending. Firstly, a large part of the shows appeal is the shock value from plot twists and reveals. Not to underrate the overlying themes in the anime, but the twists lose their value significantly in retrospect if the ending they were leading up to fails justify the emotional energy you put into them. Secondly, the characters are forgettable. Their stories are fascinating, but as people they have little personality that I can bring myself to care about.

I can think of two anime that had these two points plus a miserable ending that caused my opinion of the show to tank compared to my enthusiasm I had for it while watching it, those two anime being Ride Back and Mai Hime. While Madoka Magica is a significantly better show than both of these, these points about the reliance on plot twists and forgettable characters remain the same. As of time of writing, Madoka Magica has had 10 out of it’s planned 12 episode run aired and is currently set up beautifully and dangerously for a dreadful ending. This post is both to explain to those of you now why I love this show and a message to future me, should the ending tank, that there was a reason why I was so enthusiastic about Madoka Magica.

Fair warning: There will be spoilers, up to episode 10.

I hesitate to use the word ‘subversion’ when describing Madoka Magica, as it’s a word thrown around by many, not understanding what it is Madoka is subverting in the first place. What I see is a group of girls, who otherwise would spend their time eating cake, being cute and generally being insufferably nice to each other, having great powers given to them and then made to suffer because of it. This power is that of having their wish granted in exchange for being a magical girl, something other magical girl anime, and anime stories in general, paint as being a glorious thing. However in Madoka Magica, this wish and power bring each character nothing but despair. Not only do their lives effectively end because they became magical girls and suffer in the gruelling battles against the witches, their wishes that are meant to be an equivalent trade off bring them nothing but more misfortune as well.

Subversion or not, the main appeal of Madoka Magica is what a perfectly told story it is. There’s a very deliberate and clear path behind each character’s development. While she is far from the fan favourite, I’ve been finding Kaname Madoka’s development the most fascinating, especially in contrast with alternate dimension Madoka in episode 10. Because of her own wimpiness and not becoming a magical girl, she keeps drawing more and more into herself, getting increasingly depressed with everything that happens to the girls around her. Shaft’s animation, often one that is more gimicky than useful, add hugely to the story-telling here. The alternate dimensions of the witches are frightening and bizarre places. The backgrounds have become increasingly dreary as the series goes on, mimicking the change in tone and depression of Madoka. Also special credit has to be given for the way they frame Kyubey.

Kyubey is magnificent. In a show with a cast of rather forgettable characters, if memorable stories, Kyubey stands out as the most fascinating and deadly villain since Johan Liebert of Monster. Again, full credit has to be given to Shaft’s artwork and how they frame Kyubey. How his shadows cast over the girls, standing on their shoulders or their windowsills, pushing Madoka into becoming a magical girl herself. How they frequently draw attention to his unmoving expression, one that doesn’t change no matter what latest catastrophe these girls he personally made magical girls face.

But what really makes him so chilling is how he simply doesn’t understand. What we and the characters see as evil is at a level he cannot comprehend. Kyubey isn’t evil, and never was, which is precisely why he works so well. Possibly the best line in the anime came in his conversation with Madoka and why he made them magical girls, saying “if you feel like sacrificing yourself for the universe, give me a call”. The heat death of the universe is so far beyond anything Madoka herself can comprehend or care about, entropy not having any effect for a bizzlion odd years, but equally Kyubey can’t understand why his actions cause the girls to hate him so much.

There are some problems with Madoka Magica though. Well, one specific problem. The characters are dull. Their stories are fascinating, certainly. I’ve gotten pretty emotionally invested in the wimpyness of Madoka and Homerun-chan the time travelling lesbian, but as people they simply don’t have much personality. Without Kyubey, this would just be yet another anime about a bunch of incredibly dull girls being insufferably nice to each other, except with some occasionally nice visuals. Well, not all nice visuals. I’m rather partial to the square-head design of the characters, but their facial features go rather array when the shot of it is anything other than a close-up.

Overall though, Madoka Magica is pretty fantastic anime. It’s perfectly constructed and very deliberately paced, keeping enough revelations with each episode to keep it riveting while keeping to the themes of the story without descending into shock tactics for the sake of keeping out interest. They have to keep the twists coming, otherwise the story would flounder when stuck with these boring characters, but it hasn’t done that once over the course of the show. Well, perhaps bar the first two episodes, but the speed at which it upped the ante after setting the scene means I’m willing to forgive the show for that.

So that is why I love(d) Madoka Magica. The ending still has the capacity to capitulate, although after episode 10 I have more faith in them producing an ending I’m happy with. If so, then the main point of this post is made redundant. However if I can trade one of my posts being made useless in return for a Cart Driver quality level ending for Madoka, then I’m more than happy to do so.

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  1. Posted March 12, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    If you find the characters so dull, then why did you put any emotional energy in the story to begin with? Obviously you care about them to some extent, otherwise all the plot twists wouldn’t be getting to you.

    It’s a moot point anyway, since I saw pretty much every twist coming a mile away, with the possible exception of Homura’s time powers. This is not because these plot points are cliche, but because they are perfectly foreshadowed. As for the characters… well, Kurt Vonnegut once said that a good writer can break all the rules and get away with it. In Urobuchi’s case, that means he can write a terrific and compelling story even with somewhat dull characters.

    Also, it’s difficult to apply the word “subversion” to a whole show, since examples of subversion are usually more specific. It would be more accurate to call it a deconstruction of the magical girl genre.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 12, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

      Calling the show a deconstruction of its genre isn’t much better if you ask me. Such discussion should be had after the whole picture is visible i.e. after the show has ended. Making something grimdark/grimderp does not make it a deconstruction immediately, it just means you’re an asshole to your characters. Ymmv of course.

      • Posted March 12, 2011 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

        I agree, so far the writer hasn’t really played with the components of the magical girl genre, he was just really really mean to it.

    • Hogart
      Posted March 12, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

      > This is not because these plot points are cliche, but because they are per­fectly fore­shad­owed.

      Isn’t “perfect” foreshadowing when you didn’t see it coming, except in retrospect and perhaps after wading through a sea of ruddy herring?

      Madoka has been nothing but obvious and cliched foreshadowing in a sea of exposition and dramatic tragedy. Unless, of course, you’re too inexperienced with it’s genres or anything like them (at which point wake the hell up, you’ve probably seen a ton of movies or even anime that were similar in spirit, if not in theme).

      > In Urobuchi’s case, that means he can write a ter­rific and com­pel­ling story even with some­what dull characters.

      YMMV for sure. What is really so “compelling” about this anime for so many people? I’m enjoying it, but maybe it’s because I’ve read Goethe, and watched a ton of other “dark” anime that I don’t feel compelled to defend it as some sort of masterpiece?

      > It would be more accur­ate to call it a decon­struc­tion of the magical girl genre.

      I disagree, definition-wise. If you compare it to a stock mahou shoujo, what has been deconstructed? What about it’s rather humdrum application of Faust? It isn’t going around trying to deconstruct the genre, it is too busy trying to successfully wed it with Faust, while juggling a time travel angle.

      In fact I think it’s a GOOD thing they aren’t trying to deconstruct any genre. It wouldn’t be very difficult, but Madoka has other fish to fry and not a lot of time to do so.

      I think people are very quick to pidgeonhole shows like this, as though they MUST be a deconstruction of the genre, or at least subvert all of it’s tropes. Why? Can’t it just be a good, solid show that apes material competently from it’s two core genres?

      • Posted March 13, 2011 at 4:55 am | Permalink

        Considering that a good deal of the foreshadowing is visual, and majority of viewers had to have the visual ques pointed out to them,
        I have no idea how you could say it’s obvious. Yes some of it was blatantly obvious, and actually expected the viewer to figure it out before it happened.

        To be honest, yes it’s flawed. What’s compelling is this really has the potential, if it doesn’t fuck it up, to be a classic among the magical girl genre, mainly because Madoka is so dark for a magical girl show, and that makes it stand out. It also stands out better then Brigadoon did.

        I guess the thing is, everyone has storytelling styles they don’t like. I love the way the story it told. Yes, I’ve seen it before in plenty of movies and stories, but I still love the way it’s being done in Madoka. Why is that a problem? Personally, I don’t see TTGL as anything special but other people do, and hey, that’s cool.

        But what does Madoka have that makes it compelling? A visual component is what I’d say. The visual component is not only what Scamp describes, but memorable. The images stick with you after the show is finished. Whether the images are chosen carefully or not, they have a lot of impact.

      • Anonymous
        Posted March 13, 2011 at 9:13 am | Permalink

        >Madoka has been noth­ing but obvi­ous and cliched fore­shad­ow­ing
        >in a sea of expos­i­tion and dra­matic tragedy.

        Wow you mean you knew the OP was from Homura’s view? Or you meant you were using hindsight :D

        To ensure you’re not just using hindsight, perhaps you would like to enlighten the poor people here what is the ending? It must be obvious and cliched from your experienced viewpoint right? State it out and lets see true the “obvious and cliched” part is.

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:19 am | Permalink

      *sigh* this is why I hesitated to mentioned that accursed word ‘subversion’. Every Madoka discussion then dissolves into arguments over what it’s deconstructing and whether it’s subversion or not and so on. It’s like how you never get any decent conversations about moe because everyone is too busy arguing over what it actually is.

    • Posted March 15, 2011 at 9:19 am | Permalink

      um, you can totally be invested in a plot and care nothing about the characters. just like how you can be totally invested in some characters and care jack shit about what happens plot-wise. it’s just entertainment. very simple.

      anyways, in my opinion *ducks behind a building*, madoka is no subversion or deconstruction or whatever. just a darker take on mahou shoujo. nothing more, really.

  2. fathomlessblue
    Posted March 12, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    You’ve made a lot excellent points, particularly regardiing the overuse of the word subversion in decribing the show, and the effectiveness of not turning Kyubey into a cut n’ paste evil villian.

    I do sort of disagree with your negative stance over the characters being boring. It’s not that I think they aren’t; they’re as cliche as you can get, but at the same time I do believe that was always the point.

    There are many clashing elements in the show that are deliberately made to be as jarring as possible. The environments are the most obvious examples; take the bright and clean (if somwhat sterile) safe places like the school or Madoka’s home, compared with the dark, dirty inner-city landscapes, and of course going even further, the disorientating papermation of the witch realms.

    I’ve always viewed the characterisation in Madoka as following the same principle. More realistic/interesting characters wouldn’t make the show any less gripping to watch, but would probably alter the tone, and if not dull, then certainly change the impact of some of the more shocking scenes. Given different characters, I can honestly see Madoka morphing into something closer to Simoun, or a show like that; it just wouldn’t be the same series. By making the character’s into bland otaku-pandering K-on extras (although I do actually love that show), an additional sense of wrongness is achieved by putting them through horrific situations, outside of the slice-of-life/comedy comfort zones they’d traditionally be associated with. I think it makes scenes like Sayako’s breakdown, or Mami’s attempt to kill everyone in the most recent ep all the more powerful, as it completely goes against their lacklustre stereotypical roles as a supportive best friend and mentor figure respectively.

    Of course the characters aren’t as interesting as a result, but given the choice between a more fascinating cast, and a selection that suits the series’ stylistic sense of dissonance, I’m happier Shaft went with the latter, as it’s part of what makes the show so unique.

    And of course in todays moe loving times, bland characters = bigger sales. How else would you explain the popularity of Ore no Imouto… actually don’t answer that…

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

      So what you’re saying is Madoka Magica is a subversion of the girls being insufferably nice to each other genre? OH NO, I SAID THE FORBIDDEN WORD!!!

      But yeah, I get what you’re saying that the show would have been very different if they had some proper personalities. However the point does remain that they are boring people and the show suffers in other ways because of that.

  3. Hogart
    Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Madoka doesn’t have time to make the characters compelling. You bring the characters to life yourself in a story like this. In fact, I’d argue that the worst thing they did in this series was give the characters exposition-heavy backstories, rather than just showing us who they are as people.

    The problem is that IF they made us like the characters beyond a token manner, we might be genuinely upset when they died or something (and drama whores would be utterly destroyed, given their nigh-insane reactions to Mami’s death).

    Madoka squandered a lot of it’s effort by twisting exactly where you’d expect it was twisting (if you paid a little attention). It wasn’t that the foreshadowing was great, but that the show just isn’t challenging despite having so much room to wiggle.

    Now we’re just on this train to get to the destination, and perhaps enjoy the scenery when it isn’t in a tunnel of angst. If the destination is worthwhile, all will be forgiven. Otherwise it’ll just be another one of those anime who’s 15 minutes will be up once people realize how idiotic it really was.

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

      Someone doesn’t like the praise this show has been getting =P

      I don’t entirely get what your problem with the show is though. Too obvious? Really? You knew Madoka would never become a magical girl and keep drawing in on herself with every episode? You knew after the first episode that it would get this grimdark? That all of Madoka’s friends would die? In retrospect you can see that they set up all these things perfectly, but I don’t see how you could have predicted all these plot points.

      • Posted March 13, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

        Nobody probably could, but what people usually mean by predictability is that the story falls in a certain margin of viewer expectations. Because the story is still essentially about angsty teens growing up, it makes me facepalm hard when I see fans creaming their pants over cheap gimmicks such as entropy or time travel, which have, to a degree, sabotaged an otherwise very entertaining show. But then again, I realize that younger audiences will more likely accept the show than this old grunt who has seen it all. I’m not saying Madoka is a bad show, far from it, but I had slightly higher expectations than this.

      • Posted March 13, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        I don’t know why the time travel is a cheap gimmick?

        Without it, we wouldn’t see the character development that Madoka is lacking by not being a magical girl, among other things. As being a magical girl is presented as the path to adulthood (all magical series present being a magical girl as the path to maturity and adulthood), and the dark nature of being a magical girl, I think it adds a lot to see how being a magical girl affected Madoka positively.

      • Scamp
        Posted March 13, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

        Colour me baffled by your reaction too. How does the time travel sabotage the anime? It was worked perfectly into the story. As for the entropy, that works because of how it is totally beyond what Madoka can understand in the same way emotions are beyond what Kyubey can understand.

        If you’re an older grunt than me, surely you should have seen it all and therefore be more impressed by something that skilfully uses pre-existing tropes than start looking for something purely original.

      • Posted March 13, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

        Non-originality has nothing to do with my dissatisfaction, if anything, it’s that time travel is the easiest way to solve problems of an ambitious writer who has lost the grip on his story. The thing I’m most disappointed about is that the story before Groundhog Day was perfectly fine and didn’t need this device at all. For all intents and purposes, I believe Urobuchi used it purely for the coolness factor, because we all know there’s something inherently cool about being able to change past mistakes. Now that I think about it, it’s not such a bad choice considering Madoka caters to teenagers first and foremost, but the writer certainly stopped trying to invent something new, which is the biggest descriptor of failure I can think of.

        As for the entropy thing… Sorry, it was pulled out of an ass.

      • Posted March 14, 2011 at 12:09 am | Permalink

        Sorry, but we’ll have to agree to disagree. To me, there was more to to Homura being a time traveler then “just because it’s cool,” and I have no idea how you can dismiss it at just that. The story had many loose ends that the other timelines were able to tie up for the audience, mainly, why regarding why wimpy Madoka mattered and why it mattered so much she didn’t become a magical girl, which are the questions people asked the most.

        But being an avid reader and movie watcher, I’m also a fan of the saying “Originality is dead.” I think if an author can make something that’s been done before work and have a satisfying story, that’s better, then trying for something new and having a confusing nonsense story (Angel Beats anyone?) as a result. So I guess that’s the main conflict.

        And sorry for hijacking Scamp. You just have such interesting commenters.

  4. Posted March 13, 2011 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    12 episodes always seemed like too little time to tell the kind of story that Madoka potentially could. I agree on the characters themselves not being so compelling, so I suppose if they had to cut something then cutting some character development for them in exchange for greater focus on the story and themes was a good decision.

    I share some of your worry about the ending living up to how good the series has been. But I have confidence that the production team can make it happen. Especially after the most recent episode, damn, that was one of the best single episodes I’ve seen in a long time.

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

      I’ve seen some backlash over episodes 8-10, but those were the ones that finally pushed me over the edge to giving this a 9 on MAL. It’s showed how perfectly this story has been constructed from the off and gives me more faith in them producing a perfect ending

  5. Posted March 13, 2011 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    I like the characters, but while they’re not the most complex characters, they’re fleshed out enough to work, and I’ve seen worse. What I really like however is the storytelling, and that there is foreshadowing, so when the plot twists come, they don’t feel like they were pulled at someone’s ass.

    I know a lot of people don’t think as highly over it as I do, but to me, Madoka is fascinating on multiple levels. Though if the ending disappoints, I’ll still be glad I spent the time on it, but at the same time, I’ll wish I didn’t write all those posts about it. XD

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

      The closest the show got to pulling a twist out of it’s ass was the entropy thing. However, as I explained in the post, I loved that scene because of how totally beyond Madoka the problem was entropy was to her. Her friends are all dying, how can she bring herself to care about the heat death of the universe a bizzilion years after she dies?

      • averaen
        Posted March 15, 2011 at 2:57 am | Permalink

        I also really enjoyed the entropy scene. A lot of fandom got complete caught up in the plausibility of the science, or the fact that ‘scifi’ was invading their magical girl show. They have missed the point entirely though, it’s all about how much beyond Madoka this is.

        I’ve really enjoyed the character of QB. He’s a great antagonist. Emotions and the human situation are completely beyond his grasp. He’s struggling with the death of all things. What I find really interesting about the his character is the modern take on ‘mestipholes’ or a demonic force.

        On one hand you have an demon tempting people for the abstract idea of acquiring souls for satan. Now the human mythology is beginning to modernize, and you have QB collecting human suffering to prevent the heat death of the universe. It’s an interesting juxtaposition of the modern on the historic.

      • Scamp
        Posted March 15, 2011 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

        Exactly! I’m going to use your first paragraph for whenever I hear another person bitching about the entropy scene. They missed the brilliance of it!

  6. averaen
    Posted March 13, 2011 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    After episode 9 I was feeling much they way you are. I was concerned the series had tapped out early. It had relied too heavily on shocks & twists, and was going to have nothing left for the last few episodes.

    Episode 10 has reminded me that the show isn’t just reliant on its twists. It also has an amazing level of execution. Everything is timed and presented so damn perfectly. I’m looking forward to the ending again, even though it’s essentially a will she/won’t she at this point.

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

      Is it just a will she/won’t she though? I remember people complaining after episode 3 that they should have just made Madoka a magical girl at the end of the episode instead of waiting until the next episode. Since then, I’ve been wary of making any blanket statements about what the purpose of Madoka Magica is

  7. Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Great post~ I can only agree with you.
    Do you think (when the ending is good) that it will find a place in your top 30?

    • Scamp
      Posted March 13, 2011 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

      Yes, albeit where it places I have no idea. It doesn’t give me the same rush that many of my other favourites have. Instead it has that same ‘perfection of storytelling’ that Berserk had, which makes it much harder to judge until a while after I’ve completed it.

      Berserk is still better though

  8. Posted March 13, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    I honestly don’t care if the girls have great personalities and are completely people-ish or not. Usually I do, I want the characters I’m watching to be multi-faceted, just like people in the real world. But the story of Madoka and the events just have me too captivated to be worried about personalities beyond the basics.

    And I agree with you–the end of this anime could fail fantastically. Here’s hoping it doesn’t do that.

  9. Posted March 14, 2011 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    I want more magical girls with machine guns.

  10. ~xxx
    Posted March 14, 2011 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    I want to take machine guns and lots of ammo to beat the crap out of Kyubey…

    • Posted March 15, 2011 at 5:28 am | Permalink

      I think you can’t. Kyubey eats her corpse. She lives like a cat with nine tails.

  11. luffyluffy
    Posted March 14, 2011 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Awkward question, but what’s going to happen to the blog now that 90% of the anime you blog hasn’t been showing, and we’ve no idea when it comes back?

    • Scamp
      Posted March 14, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

      Difficult to know because, as you said, nobody knows when these stuff are going to come back on the air again. It certainly messes up any new season plans I had and will make the next chart pretty awkward to construct when I have no idea if half of them will air this spring or not.

      In short, I have no idea. I have plenty of posts stocked up so the blog won’t go quiet or anything. But I have no idea what’s going to happen to anime production in general. I can only promise that this blog won’t go quiet. Beyond that…

      • luffyluffy
        Posted March 14, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

        Blog Hetalia and catch up? or blog stuff that’s finished?

      • Posted March 15, 2011 at 1:23 am | Permalink

        It’s time for a new temporary feature ripped off from JP and Hinano’s blog.

        What We Forced Scamp To Watch This Week.

      • Scamp
        Posted March 15, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

        I already did that. Except it was called What We Forced Scamp To Watch That He Already Tried To Watch And Didn’t Like The First Time Around This Week

      • Posted March 15, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

        Yeah, blog Hetalia. I missed that.

      • Posted March 15, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

        But this time, you don’t get a choice to drop it if you don’t like it the first time. =D

        Actually, I really miss those. They were a blast to read.

      • luffyluffy
        Posted March 15, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

        Let’s face it Scamp. We’re going to sit on you till you throw Hetalia back into blogroll.

      • Elysium
        Posted March 28, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

        Don’t just blog Hetalia- blog the ENGLISH DUB of Hetalia. See which is more awesome. :D

  12. Posted March 15, 2011 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    only watched up to ep 7 so far, will watch the rest later.

    i have to say that with all the praise i was hearing everywhere, i was expecting a little bit more…complexity? bah, nevermind, i was looking for more literary exposition like tutu *guilty* not that this show isn’t good. it’s entertaining. as far as dark shows go. it’s like a mahou shoujo directed by darren aronofsky with a touch of the monkey finger chapter from xxxholic.

    i guess i’ll reply later once i’ve watched the rest and my opinion’s changed ;/

    • Scamp
      Posted March 15, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

      It leapt up from an 8/10 to 9/10 with the latest episodes. Again though, I believe the main appeal is the perfection of the story telling beyond any complexity or subversion (oh no, the forbidden word!)

      • Posted March 15, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

        watched the rest. you do have a point: the success of this anime is highly dependent on the quality of the storytelling here, which so far has been pretty good. only downfall is that if the ending turns out to be crappy, everything else will fall down with it and the story will be perceived as stupid. i’m having flashbacks to evangelion where i initially thought the story was awesome but then the ending came and now i hate the anime to pieces. nothing else about it really captivated me (i hated most of the characters). i’m half expecting madoka to just turn into a mahou shoujo by the end to drive the angst into maximum overdrive.

        hmmm, it’s unfortunate that the anime drove itself into this corner. early on i think it had a lot of potential to weave some kind of other subtle complexity into the story to make itself much more than just the quality of its plot. i really liked the juxtaposition of madoka against her mother in the beginning. madoka longs to be strong and mature like her mother while her mother urges her to grow up so they can be adults together. in the mahou shoujo terms of this story, this means being witches together. it would have been interesting to see madoka’s mother somehow be a real witch and then madoka would have the dilemma of killing her mother and facing the consequences of that. it’s weird that such a minor character like madoka’s mother is really the only character im interested in in this series. such potential. sigh. oh well.

        *realizes she wrote a freaking paper in a comment* <_<;

      • Posted March 16, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

        Well, in your opinion, what would be a good ending?
        Juts interested.

      • Posted March 17, 2011 at 3:45 am | Permalink

        are you asking me or him? D:

        i dont know what i’d consider a good ending. difficult to say since i’m usually a little disappointed if i can predict the ending to an anime that’s so reliant on plot twists and the like. i guess i would be satisfied with a full-on angst ending, but i wouldn’t be impressed.

        what i WOULDN’T want: random happy ending out of nowhere where everyone is safe and cheerful (though i dont think this anime will do that, not if it has any integrity), deus ex machinas, or some random plot twist about some loophole or something in kyubey’s plan.

  13. luffyluffy
    Posted March 15, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Good News: Madoka should proceed without delays until the end..

    • Scamp
      Posted March 16, 2011 at 2:31 am | Permalink

      I would doubt many of the anime ending this season would be delayed because I would have thought they’d all have been finished animating by now. Next season is a totally different matter thought

      • luffyluffy
        Posted March 16, 2011 at 3:36 am | Permalink

        Well several anime are delayed in AIRING because of news coverage…

        Plus, SHAFT are silly.

  14. Rincewind
    Posted March 16, 2011 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    Mmmmhhh… guys, TV Tropes gonna ruin your lives… no, wait. Its late. :D

    Subversions, decontructions and other tropes aside, Im really enjoying a lot Madoka. I like the characters, by the way.
    Hopefuly they going to do a decent ending… but in the worse of the scenarios was a awesome ride.

    Its reminding me of Mai-Hime… I still have mixed feelings about the ending. But Its still one of my favorites animes. And some part of me, like the ending.

  15. Elysium
    Posted March 28, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    I’m still watching Madoka (I’m at episode 5 right now… yep, I’m so late), and I love it. It satisfies my need for a horror anime of this sort.

  16. Dildo Baggins
    Posted March 10, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    I wonder why no one ever mentions the OST from Madoka Magica? It’s so perfect in that a majority of the songs give this ancient and arcane feeling that goes along wonderfully with the atmosphere of the show. Not only that, but they all also have a subtle effeminate touch to them as well, which nicely compliments the whole “Magical Girl” aspect.

  17. Erif
    Posted January 19, 2014 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Pretty good post. Nails some important things that make Madoka a successful anime.

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