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This Is (Not) An Anime Podcast – The Top 30 discussion part 1

Time to do what every blog does when it’s in a desperate search for innovation: Start a podcast!

Well, not quite. What happened was there’s a need to update the Top 30 page to reflect the more diverse taste between the three of us. We need top anime that we all agree on. So to settle on that list, we got together on skype and discussed the merits of our favourite titles and argued for them being included. It was made with the intent of being podcasted, so it’s as much a celebration of our favourites than it is site management.

Note that this is only part 1. We haven’t even recorded part 2 yet. If reception is anything other than horrible to these, we might do something similar for end of the year anime awards. If reception is great, we might see if we can make this a more regular thing next year.

You can listen to it here, or download and listen later. No itunes thing though, simply because we have no plans currently to make this a regular thing.

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  1. Posted October 24, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Popee must go on the top list. The whole world must know of this brilliant masterpiece. :)

  2. Posted October 24, 2012 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    No Galactic Heroes, no Kaleido Star, no Aria, wow you guys suck as bloggers. :( On the merits this list is based on, series with longer episode counts won’t survive simply because the chances 3 dudes have seen all of them are slim.

    Also, is there a policy to differentiate between seasons? On one hand you discount Moyashimon because of season 2, but include Aquarion when no one has seen the original.

    Natsume and Aria really truly are the same sort of Iyashikei show. The gentle, easy mood, soft pastels and watercolor art, the focus on sentimentality and nostalgia, aided by elements of the supernatural and unreal. Natsume is more focused on themes of alienation and the yokai stuff, whereas Aria features its setting and music much more. Where I would give the edge to Aria is because Origination brings all the character arcs to such a emotionally satisfying and fitting conclusion. The longer Natsume goes on without the catharsis of a true finale, it will always play second fiddle to Aria in my eyes.

    Black Heaven has a great OP, but the worst ED. But really, you guys ragged on Higurashi for terrible animation, Black Heaven had shit, cheap, lame animation as well. And possibly the worst casted English dubbed scene in history, short of Garzey’s Wing or something.

    No one brought up Princess Mononoke? That’s Miyazaki’s magnum opus, the environmental epic he’s been reworking for his entire career, made at the peak of his creative powers, and ideologically matured in ways his earlier works were not.

    Also lol Scamp voting down shows he’s seen only 1-2 episodes of. Really, you guys should trade lists and give each other a chance to watch a few of these shows and form an opinion of them so people aren’t like “uh, haven’t seen it” or “uh, don’t remember it lol” as often.

    • Posted October 24, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

      My list suffered the most because it had BY FAR the most series nobody else has seen. I’m just too cool for school! Or my tastes are weird. Either way!

      I’m pretty sure I at least had Princess Mononoke on my honorable mentions list — that’s my No. 3 Miyazaki after Porco Rosso and Nausicaa (although I probably like the latter more because I saw it first). Wherever it ended up, I am a big fan, and I agree with your assessment of it.

      • Mr. Anon
        Posted October 25, 2012 at 1:33 am | Permalink

        I saw Mononoke Hime before I saw Nausicaa … and Nausicaa is better. 8-)

    • Scamp
      Posted October 24, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

      Only 2 of us have to have seen and liked a show to have made it. For example, only 2 of us have seen Gankutsuou or Mushishi, but I’m pretty certain both will be highly ranked anyway because the two of us that have seen them love them.

      It depends if having another season lessened your opinion of the original. In the case of Moyashimon or the Eden of the East movies, it did. I made that exact point with Eden.

      The list is something like 100+ shows long before I started doing some cutting on stuff we haven’t all seen, so suggesting we all watch each others favourites is ridiculous. Anyway, next time we’ll have the stuff that will actually make the top 30 so we’ll have stronger memories of those shows.

      Dunno what you’re talking about, that was clearly the best black man voice in anime ever

      • Posted October 25, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

        How do you have 100+ shows when only 3 of you make a top 30?? Honorable mentions are just that; not as valued as the others. Math aside, obviously there’s no time to see everything but there are clear priorities within individuals’ rankings so you could start with the ones near the top first. Even sampling a little bit adds more to the conversation than having nothing to say at all.

  3. Posted October 24, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Instead of a Frankenstein amalgam abomination that’s rife with horrific compromise, I’d rather see each of your Top 30 lists, with a short Top Whatever compilation list showing where you overlap.

    But I’m all for listening to more not-podcast bickering as y’all go along.

    • Posted October 24, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

      I can confirm that this will happen. Well, each of our top 30s, anyway.

  4. Fumoffu!!
    Posted October 24, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Well, that was a productive two hours (no seriously, I was doing work at the same time). Anyway, obviously I’m happy you kept Infinite Ryvius, pity bout FMP (though I can see why it was dropped).

    Of those you’ve got left to decide, personally (because it is all very personal) FLCL would be my next drop. Past that though I couldn’t say, I’ve never even thought about putting my anime in absolute order. Maybe I will at some point.

    Good non-podcast thing though, I rather enjoyed it, well, more than my work at the very least.

  5. Posted October 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    I’m saying this while I’m listening to the podcast…. but wouldn’t have been easier for each one make their own list, giving points from 1 to 30 to each show and then arranging it from there, sum the points, the best shows will definitely get more points …you can figure out the rest

    Just a suggestion, though I’m aware how fun is to discuss anime so any excuse works for that.

  6. Posted October 25, 2012 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Wow, I’ve seen a surprisingly small number of these. Maybe once the full list comes out I’ll take the time to pick up a few new shows.

  7. Rait
    Posted October 25, 2012 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    My god how long it is. Where will I get the time to listen to all this …

  8. Billish
    Posted October 25, 2012 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    I liked this design. Threw it on while playin some d3 for a little bit and only really paid attention to the shows I was interested in. This’d be very effective for end of year award sorta thing as you mention as well.

  9. rosenritter
    Posted October 25, 2012 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    As someone with Monster as their #1 favorite series (not just anime) of all time, I feel the need to be That Person and correct Scamp’s description of the episode that got under his skin because man, it really doesn’t do the actual episode justice.

    SPOILERS, obviously.

    The man did not kill his wife in the forest, nor was it ANYTHING resembling an accident. He grew up near the forest, and it was an immensely important part of his identity – linked inexorably with his childhood and innocence. It was his sanctuary (to use the name of the episode). He was a former Nazi who killed an innocent man under orders in the forest; moreover, it’s explicitly stated that he knew this fully when he committed the act. The act changed him, and the guilt and self-loathing that followed in its wake made him incapable of connecting with the forest as he had before he murdered someone in it.

    In other words, a parable about the loss of innocence and the weight of taking a life, and how it can still haunt you over half a century later. This is THE major battle Tenma has with himself throughout the series (and this episode really *shows* – not tells – how the stress of that battle is getting to him. That is SO RARE in anime, despite being a visual medium), so the man’s tale has thematic weight for Tenma. Although the episode ends with him still working towards the goal of becoming a man who can take another’s life (even if it’s a life as dangerous as Johan’s), he will not do it in a place where an old man is still trying to find a measure of absolution for his sins.

  10. Posted October 25, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Since there are three of you, another route you can take is to distinguish between you guys and describe generally what each of you look for in anime. What features makes a title “Top 30 quality” for you? Compelling plot? Sincere or dynamic characters? An avant-garde art style or character designs? High grade animation and music? A preference towards certain thematic and moralistic topics? Original concepts? “Coolness” factor? Grand scope and history? Nostalgia? The lack of cute girls being insufferably nice to each other? In other words, what makes these particular 30 something shows stand out to you versus dozens of similar ones?

    Anyway, I’ll quit harping on you guys since I actually did enjoy the show. I’ll probably listen to this one again later this week.

  11. Erif
    Posted October 27, 2012 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    If you cut FLCL and leave Popee, tears will be shed.

  12. Posted April 15, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Yes! Finally someone writes about mitteldachstetten.

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