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Steins;Gate episode 9

Well that’s an…interesting way to translate 2chan speak into English. I have no idea what she really said, and I gave a real double take when it appeared, but I suppose it got her point across. Sort of.

This evil creature single handedly created the moe boom. But thankfully she realised the folly of her ways and reversed it so that only high-concept sci-fi stories with catgirls and gritty coming of age dramas with catgirls are made in anime today. Although there is a problem with Steins;Gate’s time travel method. Unless you’re like Kyouma and jump streams with the changed past, you won’t move into this newly created dimension. Your message was sent into the past, but it’s a past that is not part of the one you live in. Hence, you can change the past of a different dimension, but not the one you live in. In this case, Feyris merely created another dimension where Akihabara never suffered the plight of the moe, but she still lives in the same dimension where the message she sent to the past never existed. Err, this might be rather difficult to follow, but the thrust of my point is that you can’t change your own past. You can only change the past in a different dimension, which you create by sending that message into the past.

That is, unless you have Kyouma’s magical power, whatever he calls it. Stein’s Finger? Or was it Steins;Finger? Anyway, if you have Steins%$&;#Finger, you jump along these threads into the new dimension created. I wonder if that means there is only 1 Kyouma, and everytime there’s a thread jump, the Kyouma in the other dimension stops existing altogether? Either way, it doesn’t matter. With Kyouma as our point of view, we’d never see those old dimensions anyway. He’s not exactly the only one who can change the past. Anyone can do that. But he’s the only one that will be able to see that past be changed.

Now this is all provided Steins;Gate is running along the same time travel rules I am. The members of the lab are seeing the text messages being sent into the past, but they occur when Kyouma doesn’t perform one of his thread jumps. The texts aren’t significant enough to change anything, so they don’t create a new thread. Now the other question would be when exactly does Kyouma jump threads. Is it during every new thread creation due to time travel? Remember, he did a crazy thread jump in the first episode that wasn’t caused by the Phone Microwave (name subject to change). But what about all the Gel-Time Travellers CERN SERN did? Did Kyouma jump during his childhood for every instance they changed time? That would explain why he’s mad in the head anyway. But the SERN folks were aware that time travellers were going back in time because they did see the Gel-People.

…so I guess that means my version of time travel is totally wrong. The SERN folks sent people back in time, and then were alive to see the results. Unless Jellyman also has Steinsµ¶♥†Finger. Argh, time travel, it’s bloody difficult to keep up with it.

Ah let’s just talk about how awesome Kurisu is instead. I love any instance she is able to one-up Kyouma because she spends most of the series otherwise pouting and blushing. Which is fun to watch in itself, but domineering sneering Kurisu is just that much better. Although it’s Kyouma who really makes her scenes spark to life. Without Kyouma, Kurisu would just spend her time making yuri fields with Mayushi (otherwise known as ‘girls being insufferably nice to each other‘), but having Kyouma around brings out both her sneering and tsundere sides, making her a much more entertaining and diverse character. Although it was still Kyouma who stole the show around her. I love how he still keeps that degree of social intelligence to him by trying to console and cheer up Kurisu, while remaining in Mad Scientist character.

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42 Comments

  1. Milfeulle
    Posted June 2, 2011 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    it’s the READING STEINER

  2. mcm38
    Posted June 2, 2011 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    She said the next: ‘This guy’s useless. If I don’t hurry up and do something…’ (Dame da koitsu. Hayaku nanto ka shinaito.)

    I rofled at Kyouma being all polite on the phone to Christiiina~! That was the funniest thing in the whole series.

    But I don’t know about the thread thing. The time travel in Steins Gate (the semicolon doesnt exist anymore lalala) is getting even more complicated than the system of the FD in C.
    But my idea is this:
    First of all, screw JT’s theory. His makes things too complicated than it is.
    There is only one thread/timeline.
    The thread can only be changed, this means no splitting into another thread.
    If the past changes, the previous timeline only remains in memory’s of people with the Reading Steiner.
    Whenever a D-mail is sent the past changes, yet people with the Reading Steiner can’t get their memory erased and replaced since the memory of the previous thread still remains.
    So the RS won’t remember most of the changes caused by the timetravel.
    If we look at it this way, evertyhing comes together. Except for the part where the people in SERN shouldn’t remember people travelling back in time. Thus, there’s more people with the RS. Huouoin, you just found some friends.
    What is the RS than? Imo, it’s the ‘consciousness’ of time. Each timemachine can copy this ‘consciousness’ and place it in one person. So Huouoin was inplanted with the RS by sb or some accident.
    That’s all I can guess. Meh we just need to wait and watch patiently before we can grasp the situation with the timetravel.

    • Posted June 2, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

      The analysis of people with READINGU SCHTEINAR gets even more interesting when you consider Moeka. At first I had her pegged as a conventional case of retrograde amnesia since it would blend interestingly with a setting where time travel was involved, but after thinking about it I’m fairly convinced that she has the same ability as Kyouma.

      She’s always taking pictures with her phone because she doesn’t trust her ability to recall events, but this isn’t because she forgets – rather, it’s because after a World Line jump she doesn’t have the corresponding memories that everyone else in the new continuity does. Kyouma is experiencing the very same thing right now, with shops and buildings he knew suddenly no longer existing while everyone else has seen them there for their whole lives. This makes me fairly sure that Moeka has been at this a great deal longer than he has. Every time the past is altered, she needs merely look at the phone her alternate-timeline self maintained to keep apprised of her current situation in the new continuity. She’s obsessively updating her phone for the same reason – every version of herself has to keep it up and never stop or it won’t reliably work for her.

      • mcm38
        Posted June 2, 2011 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

        Oooh! Now that you mention. That is highly possible too.

      • mcm38
        Posted June 2, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

        Forgot something. This also means she might have been implanted with an RS.

    • lostsage
      Posted June 2, 2011 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

      “The thread can only be changed” – This is identical to JT’s theory just stated differently, since changing the thread means it’s a new thread. But I can see how thinking about it differently might help to understand it better.

      And as far as having more people with Reading Steiner: that would be an interesting twist but unlikely because then SERN would have only needed to send one person back

      • mcm38
        Posted June 2, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

        I doubt that last one. We don’t know much about SERN’s experiments. It’s possible that they sent people with no RS back in time. If they did this, it’ll be just like the D-mail. Only now it’s not a mail but a jellyman.

      • Posted June 3, 2011 at 8:41 am | Permalink

        “This is identical to JT’s the­ory just stated dif­fer­ently”

        I disagree. Consider Scamp’s thought above:

        “I won­der if that means there is only 1 Kyouma, and everytime there’s a thread jump, the Kyouma in the other dimen­sion stops exist­ing alto­gether?”

        In this case there would be worlds in which Kyouma disappeared from the room every time a world-line jump occurred. That would freak everyone out for sure! If there is more than 1 Kyouma, we must assume a Kyouma who knows nothing of the experiment replaced the one who jumped to the world-line along with us (the audience).

      • mcm38
        Posted June 3, 2011 at 11:52 am | Permalink

        That’s why I said ‘the thread can only be changed’. And also JT’s theory is crap.
        There is only one thread. There is only one Kyouma(RS). There is only one past. When a timetravel (in this case a D-mail) happens. The only thing that changes is the past and the thread. Kyouma stays the same. His past also changes, but since that part of his past memory still is occupied with the memory of the previous past, he won’t remember anything of the new past.
        Here is the point I’m trying to make clear. Everyone and JT say that the previous past keeps continuing as another thread. The new past is split from the previous one and is born as a new thread.
        What I am saying is it changes. Changing here means, the previous is deleted and replaced with a new one.
        In other words. Let’s say the first thread ever was a thin red colored thread. I’m saying the thread changes. So the color changes to blue. And the thickness is now bigger. What happened to the thin red colored thread? It changed into the blue thick thread. It’s still the same thread. Only the first part is still red, because it is unchanged. The latter part is blue. As you can sea it’s the same, but only now modified. (I hope this makes it clear for a bit at least.)

      • Mr. Anon
        Posted June 3, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

        @MCM38: That’s obvervationally indistinguishable from the many worlds interpretation. So whatever floats your boat.

  3. Anonymous
    Posted June 2, 2011 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    According to 4chan, Kurisu actually said “This guy’s no good… gotta do something about it”. The meme is “This _____’s no good… gotta do something about it”.

    • Scamp
      Posted June 2, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

      You’re a 4channer? I WOULD NEVER HAVE GUESSED!!!

      • Mr. Anon
        Posted June 2, 2011 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

        With the amount of anime you’ve been watching, I’m surprised you couldn’t understand this. Don’t you automatically pick up some Japanese after watching hundreds of hours of subs?

    • Anon
      Posted June 3, 2011 at 1:28 am | Permalink

      Apparently it’s a line from Death Note that became a meme. And speaking of Death Note: Scamp, I can’t believe you still think seiyuu don’t matter when you’ve been gaga over Miyano’s performance as Kyouma from ep 1.

      • Mr. Anon
        Posted June 3, 2011 at 4:04 am | Permalink

        Scamp is tsundere for voice actors.

      • romulus
        Posted June 3, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

        I grab the opportunity and support the voice actor cause: That evil laugh (voice actor) plays an important role in creating Kyouma’s “mad scientist” image, the other 50% is his clothing&actions (animation). I think this proves that voice actors (can) contribute greatly to the character.
        Bit of repeating, but the guy did Yagami Light too, he does nice evil laughs there too.

      • Anonymous
        Posted June 4, 2011 at 4:01 am | Permalink

        Scamp has little worthwhile knowledge about such things, which means his blog posts contain less voice acting/animation/directing/writing wank and more funnies. Scamp, if you’re reading this, do not stop making fun of ridiculous shit as you’ve done before. Instead, become better and learn to make proper fun of stuff like Goku: Midnight Eye. ‘t Is the only reason to read this blog, I’m not here to read comments from experts, I go to their blogs for that.

      • Posted June 4, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

        None of this supports the theory that VA’s actually reflect the potential quality of a series, though. The cast of voice actors only dictates how lines are said, not what they’re saying or how the characters are acting.

        A good voice can bring a character to life or elevate them just as a bad one can sabotage the experience, but nonetheless the voice performance itself isn’t reflective of the series as a whole. VA’s are a tiny piece of the puzzle compared to directors, writers, and animators.

        Having good VA’s means you have good voices. Having good creative staff means you have a good series.

      • Posted June 5, 2011 at 6:43 am | Permalink

        still i would argue that VA’s affect the perception of the character and impact their likability and memorability. i don’t think kyouma would be the same character were he voiced by someone different just as light would be different if he were voiced by someone else. there are other good VA’s out there, but they use certain ones for certain roles for a reason.

        just like in the U.S., dory from finding nemo wouldn’t be the same character if she wasn’t voiced by ellen degeneres and spongebob wouldn’t be the same without his respective VA. they don’t affect the entire quality of a series as a whole, but they do give certain pivotal characters the momentum they need to stand out and become memorable.

      • Scamp
        Posted June 5, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

        I watched Death Note dubbed :D

  4. Mr. Anon
    Posted June 2, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    >Err, this might be rather dif­fi­cult to fol­low
    Not really, your reasoning is logical.

    >Either way, it doesn’t mat­ter. With Kyouma as our point of view, we’d never see those old dimen­sions any­way.
    Right. In fact, there is no reason to suspect that no one else can remember any time jumps, it’s just that we happen to be seeing one of the many worlds in which (so far as we know) only Kyouma can. The anthropic principle applies throughout.

  5. lostsage
    Posted June 3, 2011 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    Well as for SERN’s experiments, it’s basically what John Titor was talking about initially about going back in time to kill people. Those people that were unfortunate enough to be turned into jelly don’t exist in the present. As soon as they were sent back and died, it changed to a timeline were they never worked at SERN. Or maybe sending people back doesn’t alter he timeline as long as they die before they can affect it. Which would also explain how CERN knew that it was their subject that they were finding jelly-fied.

    That idea also explain why the feeling never happened to Kyouma in the past or that the power only awoke recently, thoguh the latter is kinda a cop-out. And Nitroplus hopefully thought of most of this, seeing as how you need your shit straight when you want to do something about time-travel

  6. Posted June 3, 2011 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    Did anyone else besides me laugh at Okarin’s “Just as planned”, especially considering who his voice actor is?

    “Yo, I heard you like fail, so we put some fail in your fail, so you can facepalm while you facepalm.”

    I seriously did a double take and wondered if the subs were trolling me for a moment. I should have known KURISTINA was a 2channer, especially from the orz pose she did before.

    • EurydiceQ
      Posted June 3, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

      Yeah I laughed so hard at Miyano’s “KEIKAKU DOORI,” and then after I saw that horrible localization I was surprised the didn’t just go all the way and put “Just as keikaku” for that line.

    • Anonymous
      Posted June 4, 2011 at 4:20 am | Permalink

      Did any­one else besides me laugh at Okarin’s “Just as planned”, espe­cially con­sid­er­ing who his voice actor is?

      Numerous nerds/geeks all across the anime community laughed at that. Enough folk out there who enjoy a nicely pulled seiyuu joke.

  7. Fulluphigh
    Posted June 3, 2011 at 4:41 am | Permalink

    Cern wouldn’t need to have the same ability as Kyouma. Sending the organic matter back didn’t change anything. Kyouma never had the sensation he gets when the timeline changes when they made gel-banana’s out of the banana’s, even though they were clearly sending the banana’s back in time.

    The same goes for the people CERN sent. They were dead on arrival. They didn’t somehow become unborn. They just died, except in the past. Turned into gel, and didn’t seem to have any effect, except I suppose for people unearthing their gelcorpses later on.

    Also, I’m not sure I understand why they translated Kyouma’s conversation with Moeka that way. She asked if he knew where the computron was, and his reply was “…You don’t know either?”, to which she said “I… don’t”. They translated Kyouma’s reply as “I don’t”, which I don’t see why, except as an error.

    But why put all that for her final words? If Naota’s theory is correct, and she also has the reading-whatsit, perhaps the translators are trying to tell us that she knew that Kyouma once had the pc. Or maybe not, I have no idea.

    • Scamp
      Posted June 5, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

      But what makes sending gel-people back different from sending text messages back? Someone only needs to see a gel-person sticking out of a wall to get sidetracked from what they were doing and already the butterfly effect has begun

      • Fulluphigh
        Posted June 6, 2011 at 4:53 am | Permalink

        Hmm, that’s absolutely right. I suppose (Trying to force things to fit here that hopefully the series will explain. Boo plot holes), perhaps it did initiate a butterfly effect. One way or another though, the present iteration of CERN knows their experiments were successful, due to the obvious media coverage on gel people they themselves dug up.

        I suppose if you know exactly when and were to look, finding the gel people shouldn’t be hard, unless the butterfly effect wiped out something large. What I’m saying is, even if the world changed drastically each time CERN sent someone back, if the present CERN didn’t have a fellow with Kyouma’s ability, they wouldn’t know the difference, or where to look. So who knows what used to be?

        But the gel-banana didn’t have a butterfly effect. Or at least, it didn’t trigger Kyouma’s sixth sense. Whether that’s an oversight or intentional?

  8. Posted June 3, 2011 at 5:45 am | Permalink

    whoah, this time-traveling theory stuff all begs the tree-in-the-forest question, but it’s wayyyy too complicated for me to even begin thinking about. i’d rather not have a theory but i do believe that the time traveling isn’t creating different dimensional timelines per se, just altering the current timeline. although technically the previous timeline exists, even if just in memories, in kyouma’s mind, since he perceived it at all. stopping thinking now before i break my brain.

    imo kyouma’s not the only one who retains his memories after time-jumps. he can’t just be the only one; then who would stop CERN from sending random people into the past and tell them everyone they sent died before they ran out of people to send if no one remembers that the experiment was a failure in the first place? plus the part-time girl knows something. she has to.

    meh, sorry i don’t share the same enthusiasm for christina that you do ;/ but i did lol at kyouma’s polite convo with her. so uncharacteristic~

    • Scamp
      Posted June 5, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

      I still think new timelines are being created because that’s what the butterfly metaphor pictures are suggesting.

      Also because that’s how I’ve always envisioned how time travel would work, and I’m stubborn enough to think everyone follows the same theory I do

  9. Posted June 3, 2011 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    Things are picking up, and the time travel concept is becoming slightly flimsy, though still workable. Then again, that’s bound to happen when everybody and their mother starts to abuse it through Huoooouin.

    I’ll admit, I actually enjoyed Feyris this time around, even though she is (was?) the root of all moe evil in this universe.

  10. Posted June 3, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    I’m just enjoying Steins;Gate as a sitcom with time travel trappings.

  11. Anonymous
    Posted June 4, 2011 at 3:15 am | Permalink

    Well that’s an…inter­est­ing way to trans­late 2chan speak into Eng­lish.

    More appropriate would be the way non-shit subs translate it. Which is pretty much anything but that.

    Accord­ing to 4chan, Kur­isu actu­ally said “This guy’s no good… gotta do some­thing about it”. The meme is “This _____’s no good… gotta do some­thing about it”.

    Who the fuck’s this guy using my name?

    • Anonymous
      Posted June 4, 2011 at 3:54 am | Permalink

      Also, Scamp, stop trying to rewrite Steins;Gate and just watch the fucking show.

      …so I guess that means my ver­sion of time travel is totally wrong.

      Yes, your version is completely wrong. No dimension hopping in the show. Just line-shifts. Don’t mix your fictional universes.

      it’s bloody dif­fi­cult to keep up with it.

      Stop trying to make it difficult, it’s not.

      she spends most of the series oth­er­wise pout­ing and blush­ing

      She has blushed twice thus far. Both times were when she was identified as an internet nerd/geek (depends on your personal definitions and viewpoints, which are as wrong as any other). At least it’s great that she’s not a tsundere!

      • Scamp
        Posted June 4, 2011 at 9:57 am | Permalink

        Well haven’t we been all haughty and demanding recently

      • Posted June 5, 2011 at 7:06 am | Permalink

        Please stop blogging this show and giving your opinions on it and leave a blank space instead so I can put MY opinions there instead.

        fix’d.

  12. Terra
    Posted June 4, 2011 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    I think it’s important to point out that Kyouma didnt experience the reading steiner when he did experiments on the gelbana’s! even when it appeared back on the bunch, he experienced no reading steiner! This leads me to believe that the gel creations are something outside of time and space. There was something that was said in an earlier episode that striked me as a possible foreshadowing to a further explanation of the gel creations, but I can’t remember what is is now, I would have to rewatch the episode.

    • Mr. Anon
      Posted June 4, 2011 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

      He only has his vertigo when something actually significant changes. Didn’t have it for the nonsense D-mails, didn’t have it for the gel bananas, because nothing really happened there.

    • Scamp
      Posted June 5, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

      I still don’t really get how the gel-bananas work, but that’s OK because the people in the show don’t understand either

  13. Anonymous
    Posted June 8, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    2ch =/= 2chan

  14. plasma991
    Posted June 10, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    There’s a reason why the sub-group’s called HorribleSubs. Seem’s like they trolled Kurisu’s 4chan line pretty badly…

  15. Posted June 24, 2011 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    Grahblargh I thought Steins;Sub would come up with a more ingenious meme, but they did the EXACT SAME THING AS HS

    WHAT WAS ALL THAT WAITING FOR THEN :(

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