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Steins;Gate episode 15

Admit it. As you scrolled down the image, you said the engrish lines along with Kyouma.

After the crazy events of the last few episodes, it’s nice to see laid-back Steins;Gate return again. It’s easy to forget when moeblobs start dying that some of the best moments in Steins;Gate come from the down moments where the characters are simply goofing off together. Even the incredibly simple scenes, like Kurisu and Kyouma chatting about Future Gadget #2 version 2.67, are just inherently fun to watch because the characters are such fun. Kyouma has finally calmed down and is able to answer Kurisu’s rather irrelevant questions honestly. Hence Steins;Gate is always fun to watch, even when the plot gets a little bit silly.

There’s just something incredibly silly and overdramatic about time travel plots. Suzuha dramatically reveals she’s from ZA FUTURE where a science body now controls the world, creating a dystopian society where everything has a grey filter (well, even more of a grey filter than Steins;Gate already has) and people run around with guns shooting innocent civilians. I did struggle to keep a straight face on during that, but Steins;Gate happily rolls with that by making the story less about saving the world from the dystopian future and centres in on the characters. Kyouma says it himself. The plot is about how Kyouma is going to save Mayuri. Nothing more.

Probably because I found it difficult to take Suzuha’s story seriously, but I found it difficult to keep up with why she travelled back in time. So CERN SERN had set up a system to track time travelling stuff, and somehow picked up when Kyouma sent the text message outside of the building where Kurisu had been killed. Which is…err, what? How did he accidentally send a d-mail there? When did Suzuha appear in relation to all this? Did they go over the divergence number when he sent the d-mail and that’s where Suzuha and her time travelling spaceship appeared? And she needs the IBN for…what? Christ, I am totally lost. I could probably do with rewatching that first episode again. Alternatively, I could just continue watching Steins;Gate, because it has so far been kind enough to hold my hand along with the plot. Or I could just let my comments section argue amongst themselves with what is going on here. That is, until one person who can read Japanese comes in and tells us spoilers from the game.

On that note, there is a Steins;Gate translation project going on, estimated time of completion being Christmas. I’ve never played a Visual Novel myself, for the primary reason that all the anime I’d seen based off them were varying degrees of rubbish. Male leads with no personality. Female characters based solely on archetypes without a dose of actual personality to them. Most of all though, they were horrendously written. Stock lines and lazy exposition with dull means of introducing the characters and awfully random plot twists in those that actually had a plot. You might be able to put down a few of these to poor adapting of the source material, but there’s only so far that excuse can carry before you start to wonder whether there’s just a lack of Visual Novel stories that I’d actually be interested in.

But then along comes Steins;Gate. A VN adaptation with a bit of class about it. Emphasis on writing over pandering. A male lead with an actual memorable personality and female characters that aren’t based solely around lazy archetypes. Where the plot progression feels natural and deliberate, knowing how to build tension. Where the humour is based around witty lines and not because a character did something perverted (well, not that Steins;Gate doesn’t do that too, but whatever). I love Steins;Gate. It’s snuck up on me a bit, what with the slow progression and the early episodes you could almost class as ‘slice of life’, but the more it goes on, the more I realise how engrossed I am.

So yes, I would play a Steins;Gate visual novel. But it hasn’t been translated yet, even though my interest has finally been risen enough to try out a VN. So hey, Visual Novel players: Any games out there like Steins;Gate that I would possibly like? And no, don’t say Chaos;Head -_-

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  1. mcm38
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Oh shit!

    So basicaly you don’t bother talking about the plot, because you’re totaly lost? Now I get why your previous posts about Steins Gate felt rather plot avoiding.

    • mcm38
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

      Kyouma in tag pic looks cool.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

      More like talking all plot is boring. Talking about writing and characters and directing is more fun

  2. Posted July 13, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    A completely, utterly logical story about time travel does not exist — unless u count Sound of Thunder. The original short story, not the Hollywood bastardization.

  3. Posted July 13, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Permalink


  4. Ty-chama
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    The majority of the questions you asked haven’t actually got answers to as of yet! I don’t think that it’s a matter of you being lost! Hopefully the show’ll fill in the holes at some point…
    The IBN’s used to hack into SERN’s system right? Although I’m a bit confused about what makes the IBN so special, why can’t the crew just use any old computer?

    • Mr. Anon
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

      Because emulators and programming language documentation do not exist in Stein’s Gate. The IBM 5100 is a complete black box, a magical machine that is beyond human understanding.

      Don’t ask how someone managed to build one.

      • Scamp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

        Well if the handful of IBNs that exist in the world sit in temple warehouses, no wonder nobody created an emulator for it

    • Posted July 13, 2011 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

      Well, if I’m remembering right, the IBN 5100 is special because it has unique functionality where it can decrypt certain types of programming language or something to that effect. I don’t remember the specifics, but I think it has to do with early computing language developments.

      On another note, I find it funny that the IBM 5100 (the real-world counterpart to the IBN5100) was based off a prototype called SCAMP. Or at least, according to the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100

      • luffyluffy
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 8:05 pm | Permalink



      • Scamp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

        That’s what I named myself after. I sent a d-mail to myself after receiving that comment to call my online name after the IBN so it would match up at this very moment

  5. Posted July 13, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Permalink


    • Scamp
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

      IT SO COOL

      • JustCurious
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Permalink


  6. Milfeulle
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Scamp go read G-senjou no Maou

    • Aerxes
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

      G-senjou no Maou? Really? While I wholeheartedly admit that G-senjou is a awesome and enjoyable read, it certainly isn’t the one to start Scamp out on. I can see Scamp beating a certain “revelation” to death, especially since he said in his own blog “awfully ran­dom plot twists in those that actu­ally had a plot.” Don’t get me wrong, he should read it, but reading such an average/not perfect title first would give him a bad impression of the genre, IMO.

      • Milfeulle
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

        Well, I don’t know what to say. I thought G-senjou was an excellent visual novel through and through, it may be true that the “revelation” you mention would catch the attention of Scamp, but that’s not what the whole game is about, now is it?

        I recommended it to him because in this story, the characters actually have a personality and depth to them, they don’t stay in their respective archetypes during the whole game, rather they get out of their own archetypes so as to bring about a satisfactory character development. I thought to recommend it to Scamp, since I’ve noticed he enjoys watching characters that don’t have that generic personality and feel to them.

        G-senjou also has a great variety of themes to it, such as comedy, mystery, drama, and I think it does a good job at all of them, which is also why I felt that Scamp should read it, since it’ll give him a good feel of what a good VN is.

      • Scamp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

        But the promo art for it is so generic…

        Well, ok, the Saya no Uta page proudly shows a loli in a nightshirt and what appears to be chains, but at least that’s a bit more original

      • Aerxes
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

        Well, perhaps you are right. The characters were the major drawpoint of G-string. However, it is generally not regarded (myself included) as a perfect VN, if only because of some pacing issues and a bit of foolishness. I’d like to reiterate that I really enjoyed G-senjou, but didn’t quite feel that it was as high quality as Looseboy’s other big hit, Sharin No Kuni. Although on second thought, when I remember its similarities with Death Note and Code Geass, and when Jun Fukuyama starts Jun Fukuyama-ing. I tend to agree with you.

  7. Aerxes
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    In response to your final question, I would have to say a very powerful “YES, DEFINITELY”.

    Those who read the original visual novels are often more unhappy with adaptations than you are. In fact, I can’t even remember ONE Visual Novel Adaptation that truly lives up to the original, S;G included! Two years ago, I felt the same as you – the adaptations were mediocre, so why would the originals be any better? Upon reading, one, though, I was instantaneously hooked in.

    I first began with reading a short VN called Planetarian ~The Dream of A Little Planet~ (http://erogedownload.com/downloads/planetarian/). Planetarian is relatively short (2-3 hours), but it is a wonderful example of the massive character development and awesome dialogue typical of great VN. It is extremely accessible (no h-scenes, short, no need for background knowledge), and I would STRONGLY push you to download and finish Planetarian in the next couple of days.

    If you find that Planetarian isn’t quite your cup of tea, though (which is unlikely, considering what you usually like), there is many more options. One is Fate/Stay Night. Now, I can probably already hear you groaning, considering how horrendously uninspired and shonen based the anime was. However, the VN is much better and FAR different than the anime (the movie included). Sure, it still has some of the shonen elements (which become immersive in the VN rather than foolish in the anime), but the entire point of the VN is the development and changing of Shirou’s character and his “ideal” on becoming a “hero,” rather than whatever bullshit the anime tries to convey. Everything is far better explained and explored. The first route- of which there are three- is the basis of the anime, so there are many similarities. However, the first route is universally considered the worst – while still “O.K.,” it doesn’t have nearly the depth or immersion given by the following two. F/SN has removable h-scenes, but is less accessible due to its length (~50 hours) and the fact that you have to read the Fate route. Still, it is very much worth the time put in.

    While I’m on the topic, I suppose I should ask whether H-scenes bother you. While they certainly don’t bother me now, I find that most of them are horrendously placed and simply serve as the culmination of Anime’s fanservice. F/SN only has 1-2 scenes per 15-20 hour route, but they all have poor excuses (except for perhaps the h-scenes in the final route, Heaven’s Feel). I tend to simply skip past them using ctrl, which is why I would implore you to not disregard the entire medium simply because of H-scenes – rather, just ctrl past them. Some H-scenes, such as in Saya No Uta (3-4 hours long, written by Gen Urobuchi of Madoka fame) serve strong purposes, and should be at least skimmed. If you don’t mind H-scenes, you should try this after Planetarian, I have a feeling that you would LOVE it. Maybe.

    Well, that’s probably enough to get you started. After you tell me your opinions on Planetarian, I can give you other, more exact suggestions. Also, vndb.org is our best friend.

    • Aerxes
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

      Wow, I wrote a LOT. My apologies.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

      The problem with F/SN, apart from the anime being awful, is the one adaptation of nasu’s work that people claim is actually good, Kara no Kyokai, I didn’t really like. Hence that’s a double blow against me trying it out.

      • Chipp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

        Umineko no naku koro ni FTW

      • luffyluffy
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

        Goddamnit, someone recommended Planetarian before me


      • luffyluffy
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

        hey wait, i was thinking

        Why not read Clannad? You wouldn’t have any problem at all enjoying it, and I’m sure there’s stuff you haven’t seen before in there.

      • Scamp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

        I’d prefer to keep away from Key games. I don’t like stories solely based on emotional manipulation, like AnoHana

      • luffyluffy
        Posted July 14, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

        But Yumemi is the ultimate in robotic moe!

    • Najica
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

      Wow, I was gonna recommend Saya no uta too, awesome.

      And scamp is an adult, he shouldn’t have any problems with a few porn scenes here and there :O

      Another one I’d recommend is ever17 (which someone surely also already mentioned) but it was the first game that actually draged ME into the visual novel world so I’d say give it a try. Just… Keep away from the so called Nukige (Porn first hand games), in my exp they aren’t exactly fun.. unless you want porn, then I guess they would be fun!

      • Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:59 am | Permalink

        +1 for Saya no Uta. It actually has good writing and it’ll only take about 7-8 hours to get through the whole thing.

    • Fadeway
      Posted July 14, 2011 at 6:02 am | Permalink

      I’m a sucker for FSN. IT SO COOL.

      I’m now trying to go over all the Nasuverse VNs, just because I loved FSN as much as I did.

  8. Posted July 13, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    There are a lot of VNs out there that might interest you, however a lot of them are classified as Adult-Only, which means that yes, they have events in them where the male lead bangs a female lead. So if you’re turned off by that, your selections are limited.

    Steins;Gate, by the way, is (so far) All-Ages. Who knows how long THAT will remain.

    • Aerxes
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

      Steins;Gate, just like all of 5pb’s VN’s, are all-ages. Steins;Gate is actually a backport from the Xbox 360 version of the game, which means that it CAN’T have H-scenes.

      • Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

        As Myssa Rei notes, a lot of VNs are adult-only, which won’t help in any endeavor to start up on VNs. Someone did mention Planetarian earlier, which would be a good starter VN.

        Another VN that someone mentioned, G-senjou no Maou, is more mainstream in flavor, and considering Scamp’s taste (Code geass, Death Note, etc), I think it could actually be a good fit. Unfortunately, it does have adult content, and only the main heroine’s route is really worth playing through. It does have Fukuyama Jun voicing a somewhat Lelouch-like character, if that appeals to him at all lol.

        Only other ones I’d really recommend are Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo (also adult-only, unfortunately), as well as Ever17 (All ages).

      • Scamp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

        I’ve heard people banging on about Ever17 on twitter, to the point I’m half tempted to play it myself to prove to them how wrong they all are! Which probably isn’t the right attitude to have going into it…

      • Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

        I honestly think Ever17 is overhyped and is a flawed VN, but it’s a decent read nonetheless. The only big issue I had with it is that everything fits together when you finish every single route, and even then, the stuff that happens kind of pushes the whole “suspension of disbelief” notion we’re supposed to have going into a literary work.

        But yea, my criticism of it probably isn’t helping out much here, is it =_=;;

  9. AzarelHikaru
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Only VN I ever read was Higurashi, and only Onikakushi, since it’s available as a free demo. Even though I loved the anime, I felt that it was much scarier and much more detailed in the original, so I can see why people tend to love VNs over their adaptations.

  10. Scamp
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Re: H-scenes – I’m not all that put off by the prospect of them. So long as it’s not the entire point of the game or anything, I think I can survive a little sex.

    • Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

      Well then, considering some of your tastes in anime, I would say that G-senjou no Maou could be a good fit. It has a little bit of sex, but it plays a very minor role in the story (if any at all). You could always try and skip the scenes anyways, if they bother you at all.

      The main heroine’s story has a high-tension, thriller-esque feel to it, kind of a similar feel to Code Geass and Death Note. There are no mechs or anything supernatural though.

      The only issues I can really see you having with the story is that it starts off slow, has some slower segments, and a couple of occasional random plot twists. That, and the slice of life moments in the school are a bit of a turn off, but they aren’t terribly long. Also, the other heroine’s stories are mediocre in comparison to the main heroine’s story.

      You could always just check out the VN database for rankings and such. It’s pretty much the MAL for VNs.

      • Scamp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

        I know of vndb. I guess the main problem now is where do I find these VN’s…

      • Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

        Well, let’s just say most people don’t get VNs in a legal manner. I would be straight up lying if I said that I wasn’t like everybody else. However, I do buy legal copies whenever a VN satisfies me. Aside from that, the situation is kind of similar to the legality of anime downloading. The only major difference is that VNs are more niche.

        Someone else did provide a link in an earlier comment with mostly English translated stuff, but I won’t say anything else beyond that x_x

      • Chipp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Permalink
      • Scamp
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

        Wooh pirating!

        Not that I don’t but legally, I really don’t feel like spending money on my first VN

  11. Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    When Mayuri mentioned how Daru and Suzuha looked good together (or however she phrased it), I thought she was shipping them, but then my mind took a massive leap and wondered if it was a super vague hint that they might be related. Like, out of all the people to be Suzuha’s father, wouldn’t it be bizarre if it were Daru? Probably me WAY overthinking it, but I’ll leave my rare mad theorizing here, just in case.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

      That would imply someone had sex with Daru, which is a rather big leap of faith to make

      • Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

        I did say it was wild theorizing. And I do mean WILD do ho ho ho I’ll stop

      • mcm38
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

        Did you watch 30-sai no Hoken Taiiku? A fat guy like Daru does have sex with a woman. And a beauty at that! She was some kinda supermodel from a foreign country.

      • John Madden
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Permalink


      • Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

        I’m with you Shinmaru, I too think she us Daru’s daughter, because there are more than one hint that says so.

      • Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:04 pm | Permalink


      • lostsage
        Posted July 14, 2011 at 1:16 am | Permalink

        Suzuha said she took her mother’s name right? In a Futurama-esque twist, Daru should be her dad and SHE SHOULD BE HER OWN MOTHER. TIME TRAVEL WOOOO. Unlikely though.

      • Someone Else
        Posted July 14, 2011 at 11:35 am | Permalink

        Lol I thought Feyris and Daru too! XD well I just simply looked at the remaining characters with similar interests though >.>

    • Milfeulle
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Permalink


  12. Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Okabe speaking out in “english” was hilarious. This anime does a great job at blending in it’s serious plot with the occasional, well played comedy. All the comedy doesn’t really feel out of place either, and matches the characters too. Kudos to the writers for Steins;Gate.

    The one oddity I’m kind of wondering about is what the original world line for this series was. I mean, the world like changed drastically enough to avoid Christina’s death altogether, and we know just how tough it is to alter one’s fate (Mayuri’s repeated deaths).

    The show is implying that Christina’s avoidance of death was due to a drastic world line change, and the details are still shrouded in mystery.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

      They did say the creation of the time machine was one of the important divergence points. Hence big deals like Kurisu dying can be changed when they go over that point

  13. Posted July 13, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    i had terminator flashbacks all through this episode. cern = skynet, kyouma = john conner, suzuha = kyle reese, etc. if daru is suzuha’s father, then lol. did he get lucky on that date with feyris-tan? XD

    i have no idea on suzuha’s reasonings to come back and her master plan, but i have a feeling that mayuri WILL in fact go with her and then get lost in time machine madness or something, and that if we go back and fix said things they want to fix, we’re back to the timeline where christina dies :D

    kyouma’s grasp at english is too priceless. i wonder how old he really is anyways?

    • mcm38
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

      I am terminator! It so cool!

      • mcm38
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 6:07 pm | Permalink


    • q
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

      Wiki says he’s 18.

      • mcm38
        Posted July 13, 2011 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

        Yeah right. And he’s taking university seminars in science?

      • Mr. Anon
        Posted July 14, 2011 at 1:55 am | Permalink

        This would be strange why?

      • mcm38
        Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:39 am | Permalink

        It’s clear as glass, they’re not 18 anymore. They don’t look like any high school graduates. It’s true they could go to university at 18 yrs, but seminars of that level don’t take place in the first year.

  14. decadyn
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    http://erogedownload.com/ for download

    I recommend “Swan Song” for depressing post-earthquake drama.

    Most people like “Yume Miru Kusuri – A Drug That Makes You Dream” as a first VN though there is quite a bit of sex.

    If you care about legality, go with http://katawa-shoujo.com/ which is done by english people in the style of most VNs. Do Rin’s route first.

  15. Goresome
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Why dont Chaos;Head? :P Because of piece-of-crap anime with the same name?
    Story is good, tensly packed with gore, drama and bit of psychological stuff, and game have no H-content. It does give vibes similar to S;G but its not so cheerful. On the second thought, I dont think it should be first VN read.

    And recently translated Kara no Shoujo provides very good reading food, though again I dont know how it will go for VN beginner.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:21 am | Permalink

      While I may end up checking out Chaos;Head eventually, for a first VN I’d prefer to keep away from stuff I’ve had previous negative experience with related material

  16. Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Ooooh man that engrish so damn funny! Easily one of the most comical scenes so far for this series, yes being a mad scientist is so cool xD

    Finally everyone is working together! Yes! Anyway fun episode I was expecting a new opening but the current one is fine.

  17. Blackholeheart
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    The muddled plot and boring characters problem most anime adaptations of VN’s suffer from are mostly nonexistent in the source material and is an artifact of taking the VN’s multiple, separate story lines and mashing them together. For example in F/SN, the first route has Shiro making choices that shape him as a selfless hero and it explores the the consequences of that but as a result parts of the cast play no real part in the story. In the 3rd route Shiro is shaped more by the desire to protect those he personally cares for even if it takes uncomfortable compromises, so it’s cast is different again and the lead ends up a far different person. The anime tried to marry these two story lines by ditching his character development altogether and swiss cheesing the plot, the result was as usual a fucking embarrassment.

    VN’s are an inherently nonlinear medium & adapt poorly to linear television, S;G probably only works as well as it does because the time travel plot device allows it to maintain some of it’s nonlinear nature.

    tl;dr, I’m glad you’re giving them a chance and I hope you find some you really enjoy!

    P.S. I love those 1st 3 screencaps and yes, I did recite the lines. XD

    • Scamp
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

      I only watched 2 episodes of the F/SN anime, so it’s not the problems you listed that got to me. It was the awful attempts at humour, the boring characters, the clunky exposition and the horrendous directing. It was quite shockingly bad, to be honest. Now directing is obviously the anime’s fault, but the others must have come in part from the VN

  18. luffyluffy
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Well, I read Planetarian, which is by Key. It’s like 5 hours long, but it’s really sad.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

      Key -_-

  19. 3242
    Posted July 13, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    I am still trying to wrap my head around Kyouma being famous in the future, and how Christina ends up working for a place like SERN…

  20. Posted July 13, 2011 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    That Engrish was amazing. And coming out of the last arc of Black Lagoon: SB, that’s saying something.
    Nice exposition episode to take a breather with. I certainly did not expect it to come to the need to fix a time machine.

  21. Posted July 14, 2011 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    The first D-mail Okabe sent was done completely by accident outside of that building, wherein he sent a text to the lab about Kurisu being stabbed. The reason that message actually went through time was that Daru’s phone was hooked up to the microwave for testing by pure coincidence at the exact time he sent it, thus the discovery that they had created a time machine of sorts.

    As for VN’s, as long as you can stand gore, procreation with things that man was not meant to know, murder, and a bit of cannibalism, I can recommend nothing higher than Saya no Uta. It’s one of my absolute favourite written stories ever regardless of medium, and it’s bare of most of the usual gaping holes of VN’s (humour that isn’t, flat characters, pointless titillation for the sake of titillation). It’s also relatively short and can be finished in a day or two, yet it’s the perfect length for the story it’s trying to tell.

  22. Azalius
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    You know what, I don’t post here very often (if at all) but if I were going to recommend anything, it’d still be Snatcher. It’ll be coming completely out of left field but if you’re willing to get a Sega CD emulator you can get an ISO if it from here

    It’s a fun little VN sort of thing, even though it has a few flaws (like doing EVERYTHING before moving on) and features a few parts that are kinda like light-gun sections in the game, including a hellishly hard part near the very end of the game that people admit being stuck on to this day. I still think you might like it unless you know about and dislike Hideo Kojima stuff. There’s also a video Let’s Play of it if you don’t feel like downloading it and can mind people talking over it. Snatcher Let’s Play has a guy who actually worked on the spiritual successor’s fan-translation and will be the first to tell you even with all its flaw he loves it a lot, to the point where even he recommends it’s better either read as a picture Let’s Play (which he also did and can be found on the Let’s Play Archive) or played.

    Still it’s probably an easier starting point than some, taking place in your standard GRIMDARK Dystopian cyberpunk city and employing you as a detective, essentially. It’s got tons of backstory if you’re willing to look for it and gives you the means to find it. I’m recommending it because outside of some gore and some derpy PERVERT moments that you don’t even have to pursuit, it’d probably be easier to ease into VNs though this game than some of the ones people recommend. No sex here, just Metal Gear references.

    Just a note if you do get it: make sure the intro (it should bring up stuff like the Catastrophe, and can probably be found on Youtube) plays when you start it. If not it’ll freeze up when you try to leave JUNKER HQ. If it does you can always try another emulator or find another ISO of it.

    • Azalius
      Posted July 14, 2011 at 1:39 am | Permalink

      Well that’s a hell of a goof. Still, the Video LP summary lists where you can get an ISO and Sega CD emulators should be easily found.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:27 am | Permalink

      Fixed your html tags. Don’t use the title=”” method. Just close off your link with a greater than symbol, write the text that the link will be on, then fully close your ‘a’ tag.

      Anyways, emulators scare me. I tried to download a Sega Saturn one once to play Castlevania, but I couldn’t get the thing to work. So yeah, I’ll be sticking to windows ones for now

  23. lostsage
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    You’re whole “VN adaptations are crap” should really be “All eroge adaptations are crap (plus FS/N and C;H)” The main goal is the get whatever girl by following her character route. These sometimes aren’t bad but these adaptations obviously can’t fit the 30+ hours of gameplay into a 13 episode anime and completely fuck everything. Assuming it isn’t already a steaming load (see Bridge to Starry Skies or whatever that was last season).

    Also vndb has links to the patches for most of the TL’ed games, but the originals are up to you to find. There are plenty of places to find them though. I’d say Ever17, and maybe a walkthrough since some of the triggers are stupid like the order you find characters in hide-n-seek, and C;H is goood but it seems like you dislike the premise of the game anyway.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:31 am | Permalink

      Goes slightly further than just eroge games. From what I’ve seen, a lot of VN stories are based around emotional manipulation for the heroines. Hence the popularity of Key titles. The reason I like Steins;Gate and Madoka is they place the story at the forefront

  24. Scamp
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    In the end I settled on Saya no Uta, seeing as it was Gen Urabochi and Nitro+ that piqued my interest in VNs in the first place. Got it downloaded, set up my computer so it could play VNs, installed, loaded, hit start game, saw first image…


    What the fuck have you guys got me to play!?!

    • Najica
      Posted July 14, 2011 at 11:15 am | Permalink

      A wonderful story of love and madness Scamp ^_^

      Surely you couldn’t expect any less from your readers?
      Oh, and you get used to it rather quick, and some pleasant surprises… hehehe.

      • Someone Else
        Posted July 14, 2011 at 11:38 am | Permalink

        I clicked the rape tag on the erogedownload.com and one of it is saya no uta ^_^ well not like I’ve played/seen it though

      • Najica
        Posted July 14, 2011 at 11:44 am | Permalink

        Well yeah, it has a rape scen… but eh… It wasn’t too bad xD;

        Not bad enough to distrub me like the rape scenes in Swan song >.>
        That was one good game anyway

    • Posted July 14, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

      I have watched the playthrough and I am genuinely scared. o.o

      • Posted July 14, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

        I have played the game, probably should again, and I am genuinely enthused. Nothing starts the day off like a world full of viscera, or if you would prefer… gots.

    • decadyn
      Posted July 14, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

      Get the badass ending first, it features awesome bass battle music.

    • Posted July 14, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

      Hehe, I just recently finished Saya no Uta, and it’s a real mindfuck. It has an awesome, well written story, but it’s also really creepy and grotesque. It’s disgusting, mind provoking, and poignant at the same time.

      Of course, I didn’t expect anything less from Urobuchi Gen. There’s a reason why nobody believed his comments about making Madoka’s story “a happy slice of life story”

    • luffyluffy
      Posted July 14, 2011 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

      I suggest that you blog your progress through the VN.

      • Edraii
        Posted July 15, 2011 at 4:09 am | Permalink

        That would be… is the word fun or interesting…
        Probably both, given that VN ;)

      • Philippe
        Posted July 15, 2011 at 5:36 am | Permalink


        VN blogging FTW!

        it will be fun

      • Someone Else
        Posted July 15, 2011 at 7:23 am | Permalink

        Post hentai pics as well!

        It will be fun!

  25. 3242
    Posted July 14, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    I just realized something:
    The world line where Kurisu dies.
    If shes the mother of the time machine, how can the time machine come to be without her?
    In otherwordss they were in a world of peace where kurisu died.
    But now Kyouma knows her, so he cant see her dead and consider it some freak occurence, and instead see it as a dead dear friend.
    World vs. Kurisu

  26. wendeego
    Posted July 15, 2011 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    Regarding visual novels: once you’ve got a few of them under your belt, go and play Cross Channel. It’s kind of brilliant, and fits pretty much all of your criteria regarding Steins;Gate (it also has a lot of sexual content, but the translation patch allows you to take pretty much all the blatant stuff out) Alternatively, if you’re looking for something completely different from the norm, try Sekien no Inganock–it’s the bastard child of Revolutionary Girl Utena and Perdido Street Station, and while it isn’t quite as good as either it remains amazingly atmospheric.

    Both G-Senjou no Maou and Sharin no Kuni are pretty great, though. It might be better to start with the latter since it’s more consistent overall, but the former’s high points make it too good to ignore.

  27. Terra
    Posted July 16, 2011 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    I remember in an earlier episode, kyouma seemed to vaguely remember something feeling similar to a reading steiner when he was in high school (estimating). This leads me to believe that his first dmail was not the first world time change. however, i dont think itll be very relevant either.

    For a while i thought Part Timer was kyouma’s kid, the yellow eyes and all. Then someone else made the off hand joke of “wouldnt be something if it was daru” and i couldnt help but notice how similar their hairs are…. just imagine Part Timer without the pigtails. And im not certain, but i believe feyris had gold eyes too…

    Also, i beleive the only way to get back to the original world line is to let kurisu die. basically, its going to come down to choosing between kurisu and mayuri. This is also kinda examplified in the ED.

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