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Samurai Flamenco episode 7 – If you’re viewing this post in the future, yes this is THAT episode

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Shinmaru and Inushinde wanted their opinions of this episode shared with the Cart Driver audience. On this very special episode. Very, very special episode.  I recommend you maybe catch up before reading. Barely an hour after the episode aired my twitter feed was already starting to fill up with strings of whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats about this episode. Considering it comes out at the same time as the much more widely viewed Kill la Kill, to see that happen was quite a feat in of itself. There wasn’t even any spoilers, which is a rarity. I mean, how do you even spoil. Crying out “GUILLOTINE GORILLAAAAAAAA” doesn’t really give anything away.

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Halfway through the episode I was thinking this big twist was that Samurai Flamenco is now Batman. All very serious stuff that has interesting ramifications on the story, albeit feeling a little out of whack with the tone with the rest of the show up until that point (oh boy how innocent was I back then). I was thinking about things to write for the episode post. Things like how much I liked that gag where Red Axe brought the Uncle Sam hat and a ram’s skull back from America but they make no reference to it until after they all get drunk on Tequila and there’s a single second throwaway gag where the skull is wearing the hat. Or perhaps write about theories that Flamenco Girl would become a villain herself to bring some more excitement in her life. I was even considering finally breaking out my anecdote about real-life superheroes and some stories about how they came to be. That story is now a hell of a lot less relevant after the latest twist though.

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I should probably mention this twist, in case you’re one of those weirdos who don’t actually watch the anime but read these posts anyway because they secretly want to be held by me as I whisper loving words into their ear. I never do recap, but this is possibly the only instance where I think it’s worth it. So Menco and Goto go to a drugs bust together as part of a PR gig for the police. It’s all going quite nicely until one of the guys TRANSFORMS INTO A GORILLA WITH A GUILLOTINE IN ITS CHEST. Full on werewolf style change. He then starts hurling the policemen in the room against walls and out the window. They might not be dead there. It might be like Galilei Donna in that falling 6 stories only gives you a cold. But then he grabs one of the policemen and then starts channelling Blood-C and CHOPS THE POLICEMAN’S HEAD OFF WITH HIS CHEST GUILLOTINE AND THROWS HIM AND THE HEAD OUT OF THE WINDOW.

It’s looking pretty hairy for Goto and Menco now. Goto’s gun does nothing and stationary can’t save Menco. Guillotine Gorilla grabs Menco and gets ready to decapitate him until illegal narcotics save the day as GOTO THROWS A BAG OF COCAINE INTO GUILLOTINE GORILLA’S EYES AND THEN THEY PUSH HIM OUT OF THE WINDOW. Guillotine Gorilla then stands up, cries out SOMETHING and then explodes. Then a mystical flying ghost thing appears in front of Goto and Menco calling itself King Torture, the leader of all evil, and I don’t even know which part of that to write in all caps.

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Where to begin? I’ve seen a few people comparing this to other big plot twists like Madoka episode 3, but that’s totally different. That shit was telegraphed. That’s the kind of twist you look back on after it happens and think “I should have seen that coming”. Even things like Code Geass “kill all the Japanese” twist was telegraphed. It made sense within the context of the world. It built on concepts introduced. It completely blindsided me, but it was still telegraphed to a certain degree and all made sense within the context of the show. This was not that. There was nothing, NOTHING, in this show that telegraphed actual evil villains. There was nothing that hinted at real super powers. You could maybe say there was hints things would get dark. When they went into the drugs bust, I was ready for someone to get shot. Not get their heads chopped off by a guillotine in the chest of a gorilla. It goes completely against absolutely everything else in the show so far.

The more I think about it, the more I think this is just related to the TV show they were filming. They hinted the director really took a shine to him. Flamenco is hot shit right now. Masayoshi is becoming more popular and a lot of the public already thinks he looks like Menco. Shoot the first episode of the TV series in conjuncture with the police for a dual marketing opportunity. If it is, that is one of the greatest pieces of trolling ever and I stand up and furiously applaud that audacity. It has to be that, right? Right? Right!?!

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57 Comments

  1. gedata
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    episode 8: it was all a dream
    now THAT would be the greatest piece of trolling ever

  2. Cobrah
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    No matter if this was just a giant troll or if this is the real deal, this episode will remain an iconic moment in Samurai Flamenco history. Not even M. Night saw this motherfucker coming.

  3. Shinmaru
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

    (Next week can’t come soon enough!!)

    • Scamp
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

      Fuck man, I don’t even care if it was a giant troll, I need to see what the hell happens next

      • Raiphin
        Posted November 23, 2013 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

        ^this.

        My boyfriend and I watched it together. His interest has completely evaporated, I laughed and clapped and the next episode can’t get here fast enough.

  4. Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    The big problem I have is that there’s no explanation out there that I can think of that wouldn’t diminish the impact of this episode. I’d prefer it to be unexplained (still pretending the second season of Higurashi doesn’t exist), but Flamenco isn’t the type of show to do that. But there are exceptions to the rule, so who knows?

    Still, what possible real-life explanation could there be to explain the gorilla?

    • Sataniel
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

      Some rambling on Higurashi which is completely unrelated to this great episode of Samumenco.

      Maybe it’s better to pretend that anime of Higurashi don’t exist in general (how DEEN did so terribly slow episodes having too much material is beyond me).
      But the more important matter is that Higurashi is based around reader/viewer trying to guess the details of strings of murders. Well, first season anime adaptation failed at giving the hints to the point that Ryukishi made them do an additional arc (first arc of second season) that introduced important plot details which they missed earlier).

  5. Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    As Flawfinder said I think that no matter how they explain what happened here, it will end up feeling “Oh, okay”. There’s no way to top this madness. Simply. No. Way.

    Then again, we didn’t expect guillotine gorillas…

    There are 3 scenarios I can think of:

    1. This is either part of the Police PR (no idea WHY a guillotine gorilla would be a good idea) or a TV series (STILL no idea why a guillotine gorilla would be a good idea).

    This is the most obvious part, since the series mentioned both these things earlier in the episode. The TV deal wasn’t part of a “Samurai Flamenco” series, though, which doesn’t make sense unless he magically got his own show too.

    But still, there is one glaring detail that points towards this idea: Goto calls Masayoshi “Samurai Flamenco” during the raid which he never does otherwise.

    2. This is real shit for hilarious reasons.

    3. Masayoshi has gone crazy after learning about his parents.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 1:17 am | Permalink

      You forgot 4) he was on drugs

      • Posted November 22, 2013 at 9:13 am | Permalink

        And 5), that it’s all a dream like in the opening.

    • luffyluffy
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 2:01 am | Permalink

      He probably said “Samurai Flamenco” because he wanted to keep Masayoshi’s identity secret. Wouldn’t be worth all the trouble of the last few episodes if Goto just blurted out the secret in front of everyone.

      • Posted November 22, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

        But that’s the point – only the two of them were in the room.

      • Nanashi
        Posted November 23, 2013 at 3:22 am | Permalink

        Don’t forget the giant gorilla in the room.

  6. gedata
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    also I’m naming it Gorillatine

  7. Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    … I just realized that the news site guy, Konno or whatever he is called, said he was bored in this episode.

    … it can’t be him, right? RIGHT?

    Dang, Samurai Flamenco just became really fun to speculate about.

  8. Cirith
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    My thoughts in this episode:
    Oh the new guy just starts hanging out in the apartment like red axe did – nice.
    Hmm parents killed, will this turn serious now? I hope not.
    Ah he is just troubled by not being troubled like a super hero with a proper dark past. Good!
    Hmm he just threw the police away, that is a bit strange for this show, he seems a bit storng for a normal drugged person.

    He transforms? But this is a show about trying to be a super hero in a mundane world.
    …A armored gorilla? What is that thing in his chest, it’s square kinda looks like a drawer without bottom maybe he incoperated parts of the environment.
    … It’s a guillotine. And they showed a beheading…
    What is going on? Is it real or a show in a show? But even with a show in a show the beheading would be unusual.

    Well as long as it stays a bit goofy I’m okay with the new direction. And if it was a troll then it was well played!

  9. fathomlessblue
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    Theories:

    1. Dream

    2. Secret TV show

    3. Accidental drug fuelled illusion at the crime scene.

    4. The greatest moment in anime.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

      Twist: It’s all 4 of those

  10. luffyluffy
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    Personally I thought that it was going to cut to Masayoshi and Goto in a police car, talking about “what if this kind of thing happened?” only, as i sat there, that moment never came. the show just got more and more ridiculous. It was at the King Torture part where I just lost it. I laughed onto the point of tears. Fuck, I love this show.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

      It was that they never pulled back from it that made me wtf. Guy’s head gets chopped off and nothing. Actual decapitation. wtf

  11. Nagisa33
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    I don’t know what to think though I yelled, “OH SHIT!!!” and I had a big smile on my face! So ridiculous! What ever could happen next!

    What if they all become real superheroes?!?!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!?? (Just like in the OP!!!!!)

    My theory (not really):
    Flamenco Girl from the future = King Torture. She became the villain and traveled back in time to crush more balls.

    I think that this is real, that the glasses guy is behind it, and that they will have to use super sentai powers to save the day as a team. Who knows what will happen though. How can you predict what will happen after this!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    This is too fun!

    • Scamp
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

      I know the feeling of being desperate for a story so much that you want to make something happen yourself, but genetically engineering a gorilla to put a guillotine in its belly and then chopping off a policeman’s head seems to be going a bit too far

  12. Ken
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    Wow! Another WTF anime moment. I haven’t seen so many police men being slaughtered like that since the opening of Elfin Lied.

    Maybe this is what happened. Flamenco Girl was bored, the tabloid dude was bored, even the dude who makes stationary/weapons was bored, that made the God of Anime bored. So the God of Anime had to create a super villain to liven things up.

    I admit, there was some foreshadowing that something dramatic would happen, but this kind of crazy gear shifting would ruin any car.

    Now is Samurai Flamenco broken? Can it be fixed? Will Japan be calling out the Self Defense Force? Is Godzilla in the next episode?

    • Scamp
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

      Is this the God of Anime who also made Guilty Crown? He has a truly sick sense of humour

  13. Someone Else
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    The show has been weird on so many levels and it took another level. WHAT THE HECK

  14. Shikamaru
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    I’m not that mad at the episode. I’m more mad at the fact that people are okay with this or actually really enjoy this. If you want to see a superhero series with real superpowers then guess what? There already exists like over 100 that kind of series and movies. WATCH THOSE!

    Sigh. Samurai Flamenco could have been best superhero series ever. Not anymore. Now it has superpowers and supervillains. I have seen that million times already. If I want to see that I can rewatch Avengers. I still enjoyed this episode and most likely I will watch the whole series and end up really liking it. This just had even more potential than Kick-Ass but like Kick-Ass they fucked it up.

    So many people are so happy when twist happens that they didn’t see coming. “Wow that was a great twist, didn’t see that coming.” JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T SEE THE TWIST COMING IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IT’S GOOD! Jesus christ! This is simple! Use your brain! THINK!!! AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!

    • Ken
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 6:45 am | Permalink

      Your absolutely right.
      That’s why I think they took something that was good and then broke it.
      The question is, can it be fixed? Can putting a bandaid on it make it all better? I’ll give them one more episode to try before I dump this show.

    • Shinmaru
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 7:03 am | Permalink

      You don’t even know exactly where they’re going with it yet.

    • Cirith
      Posted November 23, 2013 at 1:12 am | Permalink

      Because the setting doesn’t matter all that much. (Well to me at least.) I like the characters and the humour, which are influenced by the setting. Maybe a setting change will destroy these things in it’s wake, or maybe it will just offer new ways to play with the characters.
      It was unexpected and sudden changes can destroy shows, but to me it doesn’t matter as long as the tone stays the same. It might not, but I’m optimistic.

    • Posted November 24, 2013 at 5:49 am | Permalink

      I can’t imagine a justification for this that would make it OK. By all means, Samurai Flamenco, prove me wrong, but if this isn’t the shark-jumping moment I will be very surprised.

      That said, Flamenco’s only been good for humour for a while now. They’ve done literally nothing interesting with the superhero in a mundane world idea. If anything, up till this episode anyway, they’ve just reinforced that yeah, trying to be a superhero is totally a good idea and will definitely work out in the real world, which is incredibly disappointing.

      At least Kick Ass concluded that wanting to be a superhero is a fundamentally juvenile idea that doesn’t work in the real world. Flamenco just has nothing to say at all, and that’s a real waste of an interesting idea.

      • Gan_HOPE326
        Posted November 25, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

        The only working cop-out I can imagine at this point is to take the road of sheer mindfuckery. The episode seemed to hint that many members of the cast were “bored” at how well things were going. The apparition of the villains seem like a response to that, a necessary evil that makes the heroes useful again and gives them a clear cut role in the story. It’s so obvious and sudden I can’t help but think that this is either A) some kind of imagined/dream/virtual world which responds to the thoughts or the desires of one of the characters (who’s also the only real person), or B) a real world which has a single character with reality warping powers – most likely Mari pulling an Haruhi Suzumiya.

        That, or Samumenco died shot by a thug during the blitz and everything from then on is just happening in his imagination during his last seconds of life.

  15. Fifteenth
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    What a Gintama-esque episode this one.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

      I don’t remember people’s heads getting chopped off in Gintama. At least nobody who would get their head back later on

  16. Posted November 22, 2013 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    These are vague translations of the official (I confirmed this) episode previews for episodes 8 and 9, SPOILERS ahead:

    Ep8 Violent Attack! Evil Army
    All of japan is shaken by the arrival of the mysterious monster(s). A battle with the moster that threatens peace… The image of the hero he had always dreamed about. Masayoshi, along with the Flamenco Girls, stand against it bravely!

    Ep 9 Irresistable Quota

    For a while after moster attacks became an everyday occurrence, all society pays attention to is Samura Flamenko. Unsatisfied with that situation, Mari Maya takes an unexpected course of action!

    Welp.

    • Nagisa33
      Posted November 23, 2013 at 5:27 am | Permalink

      I saw those same descriptions posted by a friend. We’ll still have to wait until next week to see if it holds up.

  17. Johnny Joestar
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Did anyone else notice that the gorilla has Stroheim’s voice?

    • Inushinde
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

      And they say that he died in Stalingrad. Lies.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

      The nazis really have upped their game

      • Inushinde
        Posted November 22, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

        German science IS the best in the world, after all.

      • gedata
        Posted November 22, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

        Stroheim and Joseph’s first reunion since Battle Tenedency didn’t exactly pan out too well

      • Johnny Joestar
        Posted November 22, 2013 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

        They’re also Dallas and Graham in Baccano!, though those two never interact and everyone watched it dubbed anyway.

        That’s all the seiyuu trivia I have today!

  18. Posted November 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    You know when everyone is clamoring for it to be a dream/TV show/anything but reality that it was a completely absurd scene whose implications are the antithesis of the core concept all past episodes had been building up. If someone getting seriously hurt during their fun and games was all, it would fit the grounded world Samurai Flamenco existed in. THAT was an out of body experience where you question the fundamental reality of its very existence.

    • Shinmaru
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

      Who said it was always supposed to be a grounded world? We assumed “grounded world” because that’s all we saw. Are worlds not allowed to have something hiding in the shadows?

      • Ken
        Posted November 23, 2013 at 1:20 am | Permalink

        We had 6 episodes well establishing the level of grounded reality that this show lives in. Of corse the writers are allowed to do anything that they want, but what they did is BAD WRITING, and as viewers we have a right to call them out on it.

  19. Fumoffu!!
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    I always assumed that this was some fantasy or some acting for film and was just slightly suspicious when it still hadn’t come out of the dream by the end of the episode. Them everyone seems to think this is a legit development.

    No, I refuse to acknowledge this. WE’RE ALL GOING TO WAKE UP. IT’S JUST A BAD DREAM.

    • Johnny Joestar
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

      Not if ZakuAbumi’s sources are valid (see their post a bit higher up).

  20. chris
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Was it just me who noticed that Goto picked up a small packet of coke from that random thug in the park? After he had been wrapped in tape, when Menco is helping the old guy, you see Goto bend down to pick up the packet. My guess is that it must be connected in some way.

    • Johnny Joestar
      Posted November 22, 2013 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

      It means that Goto is an addict!

      Just kidding, it’s probably the same coke that he threw in the gorilla’s eyes. Though this raises the obvious question of why he kept it in the first place… In other words, he is an addict.

      But on the subject of drugs, it became obvious upon rewatching the scene that the junkie needed the pill to supress the transformation, not the other way around – note how he drops the pill when the police raise their guns, and then transforms. I hope they expand on this.

  21. Posted November 23, 2013 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    Would it be inappropriate to say everything went bananas?

    • Inushinde
      Posted November 23, 2013 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

      Somebody has to stick their neck out there and say it.

    • Wodes
      Posted November 24, 2013 at 12:22 am | Permalink

      Yea I was surprised when he started going apeshit on everyone.

  22. Regulator
    Posted November 23, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    I really hope those last five minutes of the episode are like when Masayoshi was reading the letter from his grandfather, and he is simply dramatizing the incident with his hero-vision. No matter how fun it is to say that a drug addict transforms into a giant gorilla with a guillotine for a stomach and goes on a decapitation spree before exploding in a fit of mania, the whole scene just kind of ruins my visions for how the show will progress. Oh god I can totally see the show saying that King Torture killed his parents and he must get revenge for them despite what he already said in this episode.
    Maybe he was really just knocked unconscious, or somehow got some of those drugs into his system? Please let it be something less magical and flow-breaking. Please.
    As a side note, I thought that the rest of the episode was really enjoyable and I hope they are really just the best trolls in anime ever. This next week’ll be the slowest in a long time.

  23. nb
    Posted November 25, 2013 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    I felt there was something really strange in that scene where Masayoshi is reading about his parents. I do have to wonder if his sense of reality is quite there…

    Quite honestly, I believe Masayoshi being delusional over any other possible theory right now, because it being a dream has no plot progression and it being real is actually too ridiculous for me to accept this quickly.

  24. AG
    Posted November 26, 2013 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    I dropped SF a few episodes ago because I didn’t think it would go anywhere with the story but after this post I had to rush to see what the twist was. I went through the same thoughts as you, I thought it would change from kick Ass to The Dark Knight or that someone would get killed but I was wrong…so wrong.

    I just finished the episode and I still don’t know what to think other than wtf….it was all a dream right?

  25. R1CK_D0M
    Posted November 26, 2013 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Are you kidding they’ve been telegraphing this shit since the beginning, it’s in the OP

  26. DarkEnergy
    Posted November 26, 2013 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    I dropped SF at episode one and wasn’t interested in continuing it until I saw the title of this post. So I watched all the episodes and expected some sort of twist or something to happen, but WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUCK??? I did not expect that. I think all the show writers are either on drugs or shot themselves. How the hell are they gonna explain this?

  27. Xyopq
    Posted April 27, 2014 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I just watched this episode and what!?

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