22 Comments

  1. Posted October 19, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Well, Light didn’t actually only kill criminals, he killed FBI agents and cops and stuff too. Hard Moral Questions are indeed very hard because the power of absolute judgment and corruption go hand-in-hand. The circumstances in the muddy world Urobochi & co. have constructed don’t allow for “pure” debates of philosophy.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

      Fair point, but they weren’t ‘innocent’. They weren’t accidents because his method was flawed. They were actively trying to get in the way of ‘justice’ so had to be killed

  2. Anon
    Posted October 19, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    “What I don’t want Psycho Pass to do is reveal that there is a fundamental flaw in the Psycho Pass system”

    They already did that. Did you completely miss it?

    • Posted October 20, 2012 at 12:09 am | Permalink

      They showed that the system is disturbing, but that’s not the same thing as a fundamental flaw.

      They are perfectly aware of it’s shortcomings, and they live with them.

      • Posted October 20, 2012 at 1:15 am | Permalink

        Alter – think Anon is referring to the first episode, where the kidnapped woman’s status goes from ‘kill’ to ‘stun’. Obviously, the system misjudged things there, as by handling the situation correctly there WAS a chance to bring her back to a safe mental state.

      • Posted October 20, 2012 at 8:03 am | Permalink

        Obviously, there *is* a chance to bring someone back to healthy levels, that’s the whole point of therapy, they even mentioned in this episode that hers is going well.

        The numbers getting bigger only meant that she was even more likely to commit a violent crime at the moment (and obviously she was, just look at her on those scenes), so the system decided that arresting her isn’t worth the risk. The heroine just took that risk anyways.

        The fuckedupness of the systems comes from the enforcers blindly following a machine’s judgement, without compassion, or without thinking about how the unarmed victim didn’t mean any real danger, no matter how shocked or violent she was atm psychologically.

      • Scamp
        Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

        Yup, the police force saw that there is judgement required in each situation. It’s just most people are blindly following it

  3. diz1776
    Posted October 19, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    THE KARL ROVE EFFECT

  4. Posted October 20, 2012 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    I agree that they shouldn’t back off on the guns working, but the Death Note analogy was a poor one.

    We KNOW for certain that some convicts must be innocent, that is aready a major argument in death penalty debates. In Death Note, it was clear that Light is taking innocent victims along with criminals, the question was about whether The Greater Good negates that.

    Psycho-Pass reminds me of a forum debate I am participating in right now, about a lolicon porn reader in Missouri getting sentenced to jail due to CP laws, and some people claiming that this is a good thing, because he was obviously a menace to society.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

      Light makes a clear point not to kill people who he deems are innocent in some form, or have cleared up their ways. The part in DN where he hands the notebook to someone else, he starts criticising them for killing people who had seen the error of their ways, saying the real Kira wouldn’t do that.

      Death Note is not about the accidental killing of potentially innocent people with a death penalty at all. It’s about why that method has fundamental problems even when you’re killing bad people

  5. Matthew
    Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    You must like this show, Scamp. I think this was one of the most dead serious reviews I’ve ever seen you do.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

      “This is why the dude with those dashing hairclips got so pissed off when moe~moe~kyun started complaining about her first world problems”

      dead serious :P

  6. Billish
    Posted October 20, 2012 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Isn’t that the inevitable question about death note? How many of the seemingly countless people Light or … his … associates kill are really that “bad”? Even in Light’s estimation. It’s all about perspective; death note, and seemingly, this.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

      See, I don’t agree with this. Death Note isn’t about perspective on whether the people they killed are bad. He starts off by going after only the most notorious criminals. Does that mean that’s OK and it’s only later on that it’s bad? No, it doesn’t.

  7. Posted October 20, 2012 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    “What I don’t want Psycho Pass to do is reveal that there is a fundamental flaw in the Psycho Pass system and it turns out you can’t read how likely it is that someone will commit a crime.”
    As I see it, it seems to me they’re saying that there also needs to be a person who bases their judgement on the data provided by the system instead of blindly following what the system says. Or maybe they’re saying the system should include a judgement wheter the cloudiness of a psycho pass is temporary or permanent. Either way the system flawed, but not shot down completely.

    Another thing I noticed, the decoration in her house seems to be some kind of holography with tactile feedback thing. Her clothes seem to run on the same technology. Does that mean she was actually naked all this time? Since the medical computer lady put on stockings the way it’s done today.

    • Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

      With regards to the holographic clothing, I don’t think so. Sure they show that she had her breakfast in the nude, but after that it’s shown that she wears her office clothes. Then she chose which outfit to ‘wear’ to meet her friends, before changing back to her office clothes. I think there must be some sort of ‘default’ suit, [theory out of ass] and maybe depending on the brand and quality of said default suit, it has a number of holographic design a user could choose from. [/theory out of ass]

      • Scamp
        Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

        Yeah, I think they’re wearing some kind of base clothing that they modify beyond that. Hence they still need to strip to have sex. It does beg the question of whether one needs to go into a room if they’re going to change. Do people change clothes on the street all the time?

      • Posted October 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

        Too few episodes to judge, but if we’re to guess, maybe it’s the norm. I mean, with that much convenience at your fingertips, why don’t you use it and just change on the street?

        Something that I kind of expected, but not coming true: authoritarian grimdark cuberpunk setting. Too bad it’s kind of a utopian setting. But it makes sense considering the need to regulate the citizens’ mental state to be always “happy”.

  8. Kencana
    Posted October 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Me, watching first ep of psycho Pass.
    “Meh. This Kogami guy sure will be a spiteful arrogant emo guy. Hope he’s not boring.”

    After ep 2:
    “You are so understanding! You say such a sweet thing to the woman that shoot you. You even smile! I like you already.”

    N.B: After lesbian, will we some gays? *cough*

  9. luffyluffy
    Posted October 20, 2012 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    The girl, what’s her name, she’s so cute and it really makes no sense. Why is she so cute?

    She’s

    SHE’S REALLY CUUUUTTTEEEEEE!!!

  10. Erif
    Posted October 21, 2012 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    Was it just me, or did that last conversation between Akane and Kougami seem a bit… abrupt? I dunno, but I found myself thinking “where the hell did this come from?”

    I find it interesting that this episode was total turn in direction from the first, in terms of mood and atmosphere. It also slowed down to almost a halt, in favor of world building and character development. I’m glad you’re blogging this though, because this is the show I’ll be really looking forward to this season.

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