21 CommentsNo Anime is Dropped Forever / By Scamp /

Perhaps a dropped anime should stay that way

No, it’s not dropped forever because look, there it is! You see, it’s there! Right there, driving the cart!

For the past 9 months, I’ve been shoving up a bunch of anime at irregular intervals that I didn’t think were worth my time to watch any further and asked my readers which of them were worth a revisiting. Course, you all know this already. I’ve been telling you this at the start of each one of the posts. But was this method of restarted viewings a viable and advisable course of action, or was it a massive waste of time to question my original judgement? Was opening up suggestions to the reading public a wise move or were you lot just intent on pushing me through anime I clearly would never enjoy? Time to review the findings.

Air

Verdict: Failure

Reason: Change of tone to a dull and stupid sob fest

It wasn’t as though I particularly hated Air when I first watched it. If it had carried on with the same tone, I would have labeled it a forgettable moe series with a rather nice atmosphere. Still a failure for the sake of these posts, but without the enthusiasm to hate on it. But nope, instead it turned into a manipulative sob fest, and a lazily done one at that. She just starts crying because she’s got a condition that makes her do that? Bleh. Then they go and turn my favourite character into a bird for the rest of the anime. Fail if it changed and fail if it stays the same. There was never any way for Air to win.

Clannad After Story

Verdict: Success

Reason: Total change in focus after episode 8

The After Story should have been only 1 cour in length. It started off with 8 episodes of crap side stories, which turned me off the series originally. Then it remembered it had a fascinating main character and returned back to his life and had 9 episodes of a very solid anime. Then it turned to stupid, Air-esque territory and finished off with a bunch of filler. The reason why they did this was to fill out the ‘collect all the hearts’ storyline from the original VN. They really should have left that all out and focused on that excellent main story. Still, the change in focus back to the main character meant I ended up enjoying this a lot more when I picked it back up again.

Excel Saga

Verdict: Failure

Reason: Jokes didn’t make me laugh this time around

This was probably the biggest disappointment of the lot. I started these posts because of Excel Saga and Azumanga. I dropped them both around the same time but eventually went back to Azumanga and loved it. Excel Saga was supposed to have the same effect on me but somehow every joke fell flat this time around, even those I found funny the first time I watched it. My sense of humour must have changed in the 3 years between viewings. I didn’t approach it any differently. I just saw a different anime second time around.

Kobato

Verdict: Failure

Reason: Took too long to change tone

I feel a bit mean classing Kobato as a failure. It did exactly what the commenters said it would do. It did get better, I swear! It did eventually change away from mind-numbing cuteness and bland dialogue. It did turn into one of the most heartwarming tales about the power of love. But it just took too bloody long to reach that point. I’m sticking to my guns on this one. If only one third of an anime is good, then it’s not a good anime. Kobato has the unfortunate honour of being the ultimate example of that.

Macross Frontier

Verdict: Success

Reason: Change in approach and I gave it more time

Definitely my favourite series of the lot. The problem the first time was I was approaching the height of the elitist curve (I’m rather proud of this post because my current fandom is heading perfectly along the path I predicted back then) and something so typical of anime like Macross Frontier didn’t interest me. I didn’t give myself time to get sucked into the series. A fresh approach the second time around really helped as I rediscovered the joy of actually being an anime fan. It also gave me one of the most memorable scenes in anime: Ranka stopping a civil war between giant aliens by singing a generic pop song.

Ouran High School Host Club

Verdict: Failure

Reason: Didn’t change one bit from my initial impressions

My reasoning for dropping Ouran first time around was put simply as ‘too much pink’. That was slightly more than just aesthetic pinkness. The script was written in a pink font. The more I watched, the more convinced I was that this was the case. All picking it up again achieved was to solidify my initial impressions of the series and give them more weight with more material to base them on.

Princess Tutu

Verdict: Massive Failure

Reason: Didn’t change one bit from my initial impressions

Tutu changed my feelings towards these posts. Before Tutu, I was going struggling through some rather poor series but balancing it off with the occasional nice surprise. It felt like these posts were worthwhile making and going through when there might be another After Story or Macross out there. Or, as I hoped would be in Tutu’s case, a fine end of the Kobato variety. It never got better. It never changed. Tutu was Tutu through and through, right until the end. I couldn’t drop it either because “it gets better, I swear!”. I hated this anime. Hated more than any other series I’ve ever sat through more than one episode of.

Serei no Moribito

Verdict: Failure

Reason: Didn’t change one bit from my initial impressions

I wonder if something clicked during Ouran and I lost the will to approach these series from a different perspective. My opinion of Moribito didn’t change one bit. It was still the same fairly well directed show with dull characters and plot that I had serious trouble working up the enthusiasm to watch more episodes of. I thought Moribito was one of the guaranteed successes of these posts. Kind of a shame really.

Scrapped Princess

Verdict: Failure

Reason: Didn’t change one bit from my initial impressions

Yup, something must have happened after Ouran that dulled my attempts to look at anime with a fresh perspective. For a show that jumps around as much as Scrapped Princess does, it’s rather strange that I ended up having the exact same feelings towards the show the entire way through. I feel a bit bad labeling it a failure though, because it did grow on me and Pacifica would certainly be a member of my ideal anime harem. But they were largely my impressions the first time I watched it too. You can’t be a success by failing at the same rate.

Tokyo Magnitude

Verdict: Success

Reason: Change in approach to the series

I’m not sure if Tokyo Magnitude can be classed a success. On one hand, I did enjoy it a lot more the second time around. Good storytelling is rather frustratingly rare so I’m glad I went back to see that in action once again. But the spoilers killed what could have been a much better show, and the comments on the original post had told me that much already. This show really hinges on dragging you on for the emotional ride. Still, I enjoyed it more than the first time I watched it and would class it as a decent anime. So yeah, just scrapes a pass grade.

Success Rate: 30%

Conclusion: 30% is a fail rate. Even going through the anime and garnering opinions on what I would enjoy, I still ended up with only 3/10 series that I actually enjoyed. So maybe an anime dropped is better off left dropped forever. That doesn’t mean these posts were a failure. Oh god no, this gives me definite proof to trust my original judgement. From here on I vow that anime will be dropped forever. Even if I’m trapped on a desert island with nothing but a dvd player and a Lucky Star boxset, I’ll think back to these posts and say “wow, what a crap anime that was!”.

Afterword: I’m still slightly baffled by how popular these posts were. Did you lot really enjoy listening to me whinge about how poor your favourite anime was when I didn’t hadn’t even seen that much of it? Apparently so, judging by the hit and comment counts. I guess it was the level of interactivity between the readers and writer that made it work. Even non commenters had a genuine say in how these posts would turn out. What I liked was how these posts worked the same way as episodics of a certain series. There would be people who would show up specifically for one of these posts, then never appear on any other posts except maybe once in a blue moon. Another thing I really liked about these posts was being able to find negative opinions of anime that I rarely see negative reviews of. Anime like Kara no Kyokai, Texylozye and A Certain Magical Index (while I had seen negative reviews of this before, I was amazed by the level of sheer hatred this show seemed to garner from some people). Although it appears I’m still alone in hating Princess Tutu. Ah well, I hold enough hate for that series to match 50 Index haters.

I have had some vague other ideas for projects but certainly nothing this interactive. Next season I’m going to be covering a lot of series episodically as well so I won’t have time to do one of these style posts for a while. At least not until the new year. But for now, it’s time to say goodbye to no anime is dropped forever. Hope you enjoyed your time reading them~!

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21 Comments

  1. Posted September 17, 2010 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    I think you’re being a bit harsh here. To steal and modify a line from Calvin and Hobbes, if governments were even 30% competent, we’d be pretty ecstatic. :p

    On a serious note, I thought the fun was in advocating shows that you dropped and then disagreeing vehemently when you continued to hate the show after giving it the second chance. You know, you putting up totally biased opinions and us having fun responding with our own totally biased opinions.

    • Scamp
      Posted September 17, 2010 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

      Mwahahaha go our biased views go!

      (I never waste an oppertunity to use that line)

      I’m more competent than a government though. I’m not at multinational corportation levels yet, but I still won’t stand for 30%. It would have had to be at least 40% to consider and 60% to be a total success.

  2. Hogart
    Posted September 17, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    I think 30% is rather high, don’t you? If you didn’t like a show the first time around, how likely are you to enjoy it the second time around, unless it either:
    – gets good enough to compensate for early craptitude
    – wasn’t really the kind of show you enjoyed at that stage in your life

    And hating a show is fine.. it’s dispassion that sucks. If you just couldn’t care less *then* the show has failed massively. If you hate it, then at least it garnered an emotional response from you, and your tastes and biases hopefully became a little clearer to you (and others). To me, that’s a real win. That’s why I hesitate to say that I “hate” anything – most of the time I’m really just apathetic.

    And yeah, I enjoyed the posts – it’s always fun to see some maturity in what should (by all rights) be an epic troll-fest. I have to admit that I only enjoyed a few of these shows myself, so I wasn’t expecting any kind of earth-shattering revelations – just an honest opinion from someone else like me who’s willing to sit through a lot of crappy shows to find the gems, rather than relying on others to do the work for us. That kind of dedication is good stuff.

    • Scamp
      Posted September 17, 2010 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

      I disagree with hate vs dispassion. It sounds like the right idea on paper. People say the true lead to burnout is through multiple bouts of unenthusiasm. However in practice, sitting through Princess Tutu burned me far more than every other poor show on this list put together. In both cases you don’t like the anime, but in the hate case it just drains your energy so much when you realise how much more you have yet to watch.

      I hated Princess Tutu. Not sure if I got that across enough yet =)

      Heh, it’s amusing being called mature when I know most of my commenters are older than me. I’m surprised the comments never turned to flame fests themselves. The closest it ever got was a few incredulous people when I called Kemenozume pretentious. Oh yeah, there was also when I miscalculated what The Wallflower was about and people were baffled by that, but that was a mistake on my part rather than just ‘shitty opinions’.

      • Hogart
        Posted September 17, 2010 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

        Bear in mind that I didn’t intend any sort of platitude.. I actually despise quotable feel-good statements like “hate is just another form of love”. The type of hatred you’re describing is still a “good” thing (even if there may have been better things you could have been doing).

        For instance, now that you know you hated Tutu you can avoid other shows like it with wasting as much time on them. But being dispassionate about a show could lead you to watch it anyway in the hopes it will improve, which (for me anyway) leads to *much* more wasted time.

        Take this season – so much crap so far. But I’m apathetic to almost every show, and so I watch them anyway even if I’m barely entertained.. I just don’t “hate” them enough to stop, even though I should really get around to watching something else.

      • Scamp
        Posted September 18, 2010 at 11:11 am | Permalink

        As you can probably work out for yourself after reading these series of posts, I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with dropping an anime simple because I’m apathetic towards it. I have the same approach towards anime I hate vs anime I’m neutral about. Drop the bloody thing and watch something else.

        Hence, I don’t think there’s much extra information to get from hating an anime vs being apathetic towards an anime. For me at least. You should take a leaf out of my book and drop those blasted shows. As these posts show, even if everyone is telling you to pick it up again, chances are only 30% that it will go somewhere worthwhile

  3. luffyluffy
    Posted September 17, 2010 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    CLANNAD~After Story~ Is one of two anime I’ve ever cried at.

    The two others being Geass R2 and Cowboy Bebop.

    • Scamp
      Posted September 17, 2010 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

      Grave of the Fireflies

      Not that I’d reccomend it or anything. Just… =,(

  4. Posted September 17, 2010 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    They were fun.
    It’s not just the interaction between reader and writer that’s fun but also our being able to see what you have to say on a plethora of series, many of which we have seen ourselves and want to know why you dropped it or why you liked it in the end.

    Plus it’s a nice change from all episodic, all the time.

    • Scamp
      Posted September 17, 2010 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

      I know it’s often cool simply to hear what people think of different anime on the very simple level that it’s interesting to hear different opinions in a cohesive format.

      btw I don’t do episodic all the time! I’m only doing one series episodically at the moment if you don’t count Broken Blade

      • Posted September 18, 2010 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

        Oh, I know! This is just one of the many things~

  5. Posted September 17, 2010 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    I liked ’em because I thought they were a lot of fun.

    Also, I don’t remember what I recommended for each post, but if you had listened to me the whole time, the success rate would have been higher, because I’m awesome. (Maybe.)

    • Scamp
      Posted September 17, 2010 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

      I can check the logs for the polls to see what you voted for. I can reverse stalk everyone!

      Which, btw, reveals rather interesting but not entirely surprising results for the poll on the sidebar at the moment. Every vote for the ‘stupid idea’ are already commenters. Every vote for the ‘go for it’ are lurkers while the don’t care either way folk are a mix. It’s the obvious result for what would happen but it’s interesting that it’s so pronounced

  6. Hatsuyuki
    Posted September 17, 2010 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Either you have really awesome quick judgment, or most readers fail at picking out good anime XD. It will be sad to see these posts go, though. They were definitley entertaining to read, especially when I’d realize I’m not alone in disliking certain series lol. (Like Seirei no Moribito, it’s like you took the words right out of my mouth lol.)

    Anyways, glad to hear you’ll be covering more anime this upcoming season, though :D!

    • Scamp
      Posted September 18, 2010 at 11:13 am | Permalink

      I loved seeing the alternate opinions on the anime I dropped. As I said in the post, it was great finally seeing people give honest opinions about Kara no Kyokai instead of the usual barrage of praise that thing gets.

      I will indeed be covering more anime next season, but it’s only a one season thing. I’ll alienate certain readers if I went full episodic.

  7. Posted September 18, 2010 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    I really enjoyed this series of posts, as others have already said, it was interesting to hear your opinions on a broad range of anime (especially when your thoughts were in sharp contrast to my own……poor Tutu) and the comments were very enlightening.

    30% isn’t a bad success rate for a heap of shows you dropped for various reasons – I can’t imagine my success rate being that high if I ever attempted to go through my dropped list!

    • Scamp
      Posted September 18, 2010 at 11:15 am | Permalink

      Yeah but that’s 30% for anime that people are telling me to pick up again. That’s the point. If everyone is telling me to pick up an anime again, is it worthwhile to do so? If the chances are only 30% then nope, not worth the risk

  8. Posted September 18, 2010 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    It’s always fun to watch something get bashed. :D I don’t know why. It also became a sort of game, would you like it or not?

    I don’t know if a dropped anime should stay dropped. In a lot of cases, yes, (Dance in the Vampire Bund), but you can miss out on some real gems as well.

    I know for me, it took a while for me to get a handle on what would you like, and what you wouldn’t. That also should be factored in, when you have a group making a choice for you.

    However, I think I can safely look at your list of dropped anime, and say that for the most part there is nothing you’d want to watch, from what I know.

    Also, I didn’t vote for Tutu, despite it being my favorite anime, okay? :P

    • Scamp
      Posted September 18, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

      I did consider the idea of asking people to reccomend me any anime, now that you all know my tastes, but figured that might be pushing things just a bit.

      So by your calculations, there’s nothing on my drop list that I would enjoy? Woah, go my bullshit detector! Although at first glance, Clannad shouldn’t be my sort of thing.

      Glad you enjoyed watching me bashing anime~!

  9. Posted September 19, 2010 at 5:58 am | Permalink

    well, yes, the interaction involved in these posts were fun as well, and i also think it was beneficial to the commenters who now should be quite familiar with what your tastes are and know what not to recommend to you. learning experience for everyone!

    i kinda agree with hogart that hating something vehemently is much better than just being apathetic. i still spend energy on something i hate, like, lets say, evangelion, looking for some opinion/well-written analysis that will succeed in bringing some light into what interpreted as a melodrama-emo-angst-religious-symbol shitfest. and other stuff, like rahxephon, i didn’t hate enough and stopped caring as soon as i was finally done with the last episode.

    in conclusion, yes, there was much eye-rolling, probably on both sides, but it was still fun!

  10. Fai D Fluorite
    Posted October 31, 2010 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    You loved Love Hina but dropped Clannad After Story?? T__T
    I am yet to see someone who holds Clannad as highly as I do…

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