45 CommentsOre no Imouto / By Scamp /

OreImo season 2 episode 4 – What happened?

vlcsnap-2013-04-28-12h09m12s210Remember when OreImo used to be great good decent all right watchable not completely terrible?

After the first 2 episodes of the first season, I remarked at how surprised I was that this show was trying to do an honest depiction of sibling relationships and otaku insecurities. In retrospect that seems pretty dumb, but in my defence OreImo was the trend-setter in this regard. Maybe the name was a bait-and-switch rather than just an honest plot description. It showed its true colours pretty soon, but at least it was still witty. There are some people out there who, even at the end, convinced themselves that it was still an honest depiction of sibling relationships and not otaku pandering imout-fetish bullshit at all. Not sure how they managed that, because that’s self-delusion on a scale that would make orthodox religious organisations look like they operate with calm rationale. But the only way they could still think that after watching the second season is if they watched it with their eyes shut and fingers in their ears and screamed the entire way through.

vlcsnap-2013-04-28-12h07m15s55OreImo always had a rotten core to it that ultimately undermined anything else it did, but the writing was usually quite witty and had some clever ways of phrasing things that made it enjoyable to watch. This season has none of that. Zero. Let’s take for example this episode’s running ‘joke’ that Kyousuke is a paedophile  The joke everytime is that the little girl jumps or looks at Kyousuke, Kirino sees him and calls him a pedo. Every single time, without variation. Is that the joke? The accusation of paedophilia is the joke in itself? As much as I dislike the pedo side to the -monogatari series, at least it has variety in how it phrases the accusatory remarks that makes it funny.

The character motivations for their actions are no longer making much sense, what with Saori’s sisters’ bafflingly incomprehensible actions. The generation of a harem is ramping up quite quickly as Kyousuke gets all these imouto characters swarming him. The one from this episode follows the standard lazy pattern of introducing a character who instantly likes the main character for no reason so the established love interest has to fight with her for his affections, furiously clawing away at each other as they both try caress his cock. While I know we’re telling sidestories at the moment, the ‘plot’ isn’t going to go anywhere from here on anyway because we’ve got to keep the status quo intact.

I know the show wasn’t ‘good’ before, but at least it was a something. Now it’s nothing.



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  1. Mitleser
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    You made the right choice.

  2. Posted April 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    This episode was awful. It contained everything bad about the series and didn’t even have a hint of the stuff that made S1 bearable.

    I really wanna drop this shite now too – but my completionist tendencies are quite demanding. Think it will have to go into the stalled list with a very low priority for continuing.

    • Posted April 28, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

      Think it will have to go into the stalled list with a very low priority for continuing.

      Isn’t that what all dropped anime are?

      Anyways, I decided to watch this b/c of all the hatred surrounding the episode. That was a mistake.

      • evil3
        Posted April 28, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

        I think there are 2 levels of dropped. On one level you have the ones that are just kinda there, and you might get back to watch it when you have extra free time, maybe. On the other level, it was so bad that you will never watch anymore of it again, and think nothing of trying to finish it.

        So I guess it is, 1. you might finish it at some point, but it isn’t a priority. 2. it is just so bad that you will never watch it again.

    • Scamp
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

      I think I might have gone with another episode, but the final cliffhanger was just so blatant that I feel offended that they think it would make me want to watch more

      • Pusswookie
        Posted April 28, 2013 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

        Prior to watching this episode I actually wondered aloud if this show could pander any harder; wanted it to, in fact. While the rapid deterioration of this show has an adverse effect on your enjoyment, I was actually quite entertained. I will, however, be the first to admit that it probably isn’t a good sign that I’m now deriving my enjoyment from seeing how many new and exciting ways it can pander to its audience.
        I think I’ll watch the next episode then stop, because it couldn’t get much more blatant from there
        …could it?

  3. shytende
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    So, not only did this show keeps all his worst parts, but he decided to do sub-Haganai…
    That was one of the most awfull things I watched, even after this awfull Winter season…

    That was just blatant unimaginative otaku pandering wish fullfilment BS…

    Also, this girl isn’t a character, she’s just a walking wish fullfilment plot element. So basiallly Kirino II

    Also, in another new, Teenage Romcom SNAFU officially became superior to OreImo in every way with this week’s episode.

    • Gunslinger
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

      Yup, that line about how real little sisters are seemed apt considering the garbage that was this weeks oreemo

    • Scamp
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

      SNAFU lost me when the girl character said “gosh it sure is way tougher being perfect at everything”

      • Posted April 29, 2013 at 4:26 am | Permalink

        She’s naive, cynical, and in need of justification for her social isolation. I’d give it another try, I think it’s one of the best-written shows of the season.

      • Posted April 29, 2013 at 5:06 am | Permalink

        ^ SNAFU is one of those shows that could be a decent love triangle anime if it didn’t keep trying to be cool and edgy, which it fails at miserably. I’m still watching it for some reason, but in no way is it a good show. Aku no Hana does a much better job at what SNAFU is doing.

  4. Erif
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    lol what is that .gif?

    • Scamp
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Permalink


    • Desi
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

      Amnesia dont watch it you’ll regret it forever.

  5. Outcast
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    So, Scamp…you gonna pick up Valvrave now? :P

    • Scamp
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

      ewww no. If you’ve been paying attention to the sidebar, you’ll know what I’m covering next

      • Gunslinger
        Posted April 28, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

        Ohh god its karneval isn’t it.

      • Mr. Anon
        Posted April 28, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

        Valvrave is turning into Code Geass levels of bullshit, seems right up your alley?

      • fEast91
        Posted April 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

        It doesn’t feel the same as Code Geass though. I mean, the first worst offender is that forced romance. I mean, if that bitch stayed dead… but nope, she has to come back and now the wangst is going to only go up, up, UP.

      • Scamp
        Posted April 28, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

        Geass’s twists are entertainingly ridiculous in how they advance the story. Valvrave’s are ridiculous in how much they drag back into cliche that defies character motivations. There’s a difference.

    • Outcast
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

      aww…that’s a shame. I was hoping for beatdown like the one SAO got. Oh well.

      • Scamp
        Posted April 28, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

        I don’t seem to be able to hate with the same energy I used to. I think Guilty Crown killed it

  6. Limelight
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    > the writing was usually quite witty and had some clever ways of phrasing things that made it enjoyable to watch. This season has none of that. Zero.

    Not enough kuroneko maybe? :p

    • Scamp
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

      I was thinking that, but even the Kuroneko-less episodes last season were far better than this. Heck, she didn’t appear until episode 2 originally

  7. Pusswookie
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    In what anime does the dapper police man drop that girl from a building? I’d very much like to watch it.

    • Scamp
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

      I’ve forgotten

      …this is a joke for those who actually know which anime it’s from

    • Mr. Anon
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

      That artstyle is Amnesia I think.

    • Desi
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

      Her personality is less than that of potato normal harem leads.
      Just a warning.

      • Pusswookie
        Posted April 29, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

        Even better for when she gets dropped then.
        Scamp, I like the joke, but had Mr. Anon not answered, how would I have figured out what anime it was? Or were you dropping a subtle hint in order to figure out whether or not I was clever enough to discover this anime?
        My God, you’re like Ging

      • Posted April 29, 2013 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

        Lol that gif is full of win. Amnesia sucks.

  8. ANON
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know if you’re really doing karneval next, but please consider maou-sama :D

    • Scamp
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

      There’s 2 new ‘projects’ of sorts starting next month. Sorry but neither of them is Maou-sama. It’s still a good show mind you

      • Hanasra
        Posted April 29, 2013 at 12:54 am | Permalink

        Is that include the brand new manga project you guys have planned?
        By the way, which manga that’ll receive the honor of being first?

  9. Posted April 28, 2013 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    I still say that Oreimo would suddenly be much more watchable if everyone murdered Kirino and had a festival with her organs.

    • Scamp
      Posted April 28, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

      You read that doujin too huh?

  10. Critic
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    i hate kirino, being fuking asshole sister, just die

  11. Shadow
    Posted April 28, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Well like i said in your previous episode review Scamp…the staff are making entire volumes of the light novel compressed into one episode.

    Saori’s Arc, Ria’s Arc, Manami’s Arc…all will be compressed like that to let those 3 *since you’re dropping it i guess its alright spoiling it. Kuroneko, Kirino and Ayase, get the spotlight later on. But i guess that was pretty easy to notice*

    You did good dropping the series. Kuroneko’s heart will be toyed all around throught out the season…and even when you think she will be the ending girl, the series will slap you in the face with an expected annoying twist that brings Kyousuke’s and Kuroneko’s relationship back to 0. I swear i dropped the light novels after that, and decided to just read summaries after that.

    If you watch the show for her, better tell you now that you dropped. Still, she is one of the final girls with chances to appear in volume 12 as the end girl, but no one knows how that volume will go since it has yet to be released.

  12. Jeremiah Wilderson
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 4:48 am | Permalink

    It’s strange that Kirino didn’t criticize Kyousuke for calling himself a siscon. Given her personality, she would normally at least shout at him, but in this episode she actually laughs it off affectionately. There’s also the one time introduction of that runner girl, and she really served no purpose other as a source of lolicon jokes and wish-fulfillment. Why would the directors make this episode? That’s when it hit me.

    The lolicon jokes were not jokes at all, but the verbal manifestation of conflicts and tensions that have been in the show for a while now. Kirino’s outbursts show that she’s worried Kyousuke is into little girls, and this is in fact something any careful viewer would also have been worrying about.

    At points Kyousuke is shown to be attracted to younger girls like Kuroneko and even Ayase. However, when it comes to those his age (his childhood friend) or girls who are not loli (Saori), he displays little interest.

    The reason this episode came out now was likely because up until the previous episode, viewers probably believed Kyousuke was not attracted to Saori because she wore ridiculous glasses. However, after he showed no reaction at all to her moe face, fans most likely started connecting the dots.

    What if Kyousuke just likes little girls? What if anyone loli would do? After all, he easily used Kuroneko as a replacement season 1. What if Kyousuke isn’t really a siscon, but instead a LOLICON?

    Hence this episode. Just as Kirino-fans must have been furious when Kyousuke started hitting on lolis, Kirino is also furious in seeing Kyousuke and the loli runner girl together. The “You lolicon!” line is no joke. Oreimo has never fallen into trap of thinking a joke repeated twenty times is still funny. In a way, the anime directors might also be scolding their predecessors for their choices.

    The characters represent things much greater than themselves. The runner girl represents the loli’s, and Kyousuke represents both himself and the anime. Here Kirino represents the viewer, and so when she scolds him she is really scolding the anime itself. She also reaffirms that lolicons are trash who have no place in Oreimo other than as figures to be ridiculed.

    But note it’s very clearly the loli showing feelings for Kyousuke, not the other way around. This might be the directors gently telling the viewers that they were mistaken. Both Kyousuke and the anime have no interest in lolis. This sutble gesture foreshadows the climax in the race scene. The race scene is then significant in that Kyousuke finally affirms his, and the anime’s, true self. He is a siscon, and the reason Kirino reacts positively to this is not because she’s had a change of character. She is in fact representing the views of the anime creators and the viewers.

    Now that they have clearly established that “Ore no imouto ga konna ni Kawaii wake ga nai” is about Siscons, not Lolicons, the show can finally progress. This explains the sudden “be my boyfriend” line.

    However, don’t forget that Kirino lost the race by a small margin, hinting that no matter how hard she and Kyousuke try, she might just end up losing to the lolis. The foreign runner girl’s “prodigy” trait gives her an unfair advantage, just as normal girls have an unfair advantage of not being blood related to Kyousuke. And yet we don’t see runner girl winning with our own eyes, so we can’t be absolutely sure Kirino lost. There is a lot of room for speculation.

    In conclusion, this episode carries many subtle undertones, and it is the most insightful episode to date. I’m sorry you’re dropping this, and I will miss your posts on Oreimo.

    • Son Gohan
      Posted April 29, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

      Isn’t Kuroneko only 1 year younger than Kyousuke? And Ayase 2 years younger? I don’t think that you can call them loli…

      • Whamu
        Posted April 29, 2013 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

        Kyousuke is definitely a loli.

  13. jingoi
    Posted May 1, 2013 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Haven’t started Oreimo S2 yet.
    Probably won’t now.
    (my reasons are I want a blood related end but most of these authors are too scared to do that, kirino leveling up her bitch stats does not help)

  14. Posted May 1, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    I think it all went downhill for most of the OreImo watchers when the novel went shit and changed a lot of stuff (I won’t elaborate since it’s spoilers). The only probable reason for S2 was for the Kuroneko-Kyousuke relationship before they broke up, since that created enough hype AND made the novel go shit.

    • trota
      Posted June 3, 2013 at 12:18 am | Permalink

      u mean the break up made the novel go to shit or the relationship in general made the novel go to shit?

    Posted May 12, 2013 at 4:48 am | Permalink

    Kirino is a FUCKING BITCH

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