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Ore no Imouto: From a Veteran’s Perspective

While there were some people who stated that it might not be the case, the fan opin­ion off what ‘My Little Sis­ter Can’t Be This Cute’ was going to turn out like was a wish-fulfillment for sib­ling deprived men who fan­tas­ise about hav­ing a little sis­ter. Those who did not under­stand what it was like to have a little sis­ter, the joys hav­ing a pre-pubescent girl wak­ing them up in the middle of the night to play eroge soun­ded like their idea of heaven.

Cer­tainly, there were folks who were eagerly anti­cip­at­ing their dreams being ful­filled in anime form. But for those of us not inces­tiously inclined, would there be any value? Would it, more import­antly, have any sort of real­istic brother/sister rela­tion­ship in a medium that lust­ing after your sib­ling is the rule rather than the excep­tion? Is hav­ing a little sis­ter who is an otaku really that great? Why not ask those with exper­i­ence then! So help answer that, I’m joined by meflo­raine from Paper Flower who, like myself, has a younger sis­ter who is an otaku (well, they watch anime, which is a start).

Scamp: Pre-discovery of her hor­rible, shame­ful secret (it’s always amused me how hor­rific the lable of otaku seems to be in anime. You’d swear from the reac­tions people have to the name that they had just implied someone was a pedo­phile or something…oh wait), it’s a fairly accur­ate depic­tion of fam­ily life. They acknow­ledge each oth­ers exist­ence but bey­ond that don’t really think about it. You get so used to their exist­ence that you stop think­ing about them. Which is kinda what the start of the anime is say­ing. No, your little sis­ter is not as cute as otaku cul­ture makes them out to be.

meflo­raine: Sis­ter?  What sis­ter?  You mean that creature I’m forced to drive all around town?  I too was impressed by the show’s real­ism in this aspect.  Little sis­ters are like a paper­weight until you need to use them for some­thing.  Or until they come up and start pes­ter­ing you for things.  And no, it’s not cute pes­ter­ing.  It’s an incess­ant, loud whine and a repe­ti­tion of your name that induces head­ache, not “d’awwww”.

Scamp: The whole scene where she reveals her hobby is actu­ally pretty real­istic too. I’m sit­ting there, wait­ing to unleash my hatred and squick­y­ness of the whole sis­con move­ment that I was expect­ing to take place, but this anime just refused to go that way. The sis­ter acted…normal! The awk­ward­ness when dis­cuss­ing some­thing uncom­fort­able fol­lowed by the total ease of con­ver­sa­tion that nat­ur­ally flows between the two. Prob­ably more import­antly is the broth­ers reac­tion. There’s no gaz­ing down the top, wild ima­gin­a­tions nor any of the typ­ical reac­tions anime tends to put in these situations.

meflo­raine: Unlike Scamp, I wasn’t afraid of poten­tial sis­con antics in this show at all, but it was much nicer to see what actu­ally tran­spired.  Not know­ing about your sister’s hobby, such as her mod­el­ing job, was prob­ably the easi­est thing for me to relate to.  Aside from the things I have to drive her to and what she’s watch­ing for the cur­rent anime sea­son, I have no idea what my sis­ter does with her free time.

I think the only thing about this part of the epis­ode that differed from what I would expect in real­ity was a lack of awk­ward laugh­ing.  Which would then trans­form into giggles and goad­ing, but I think that might be because I’m an older sis­ter, not an older brother.  The awk­ward­ness, how­ever, would be the same.  Either way, “My sis­ter is actu­ally very per­ver­ted?  Hoo­ray, maybe she’ll let me do weird things to her!” wouldn’t make any sense.

It was also pleas­ant to see: “And I don’t feel any love.  Only anger, usu­ally.”  Yes.  There is no moe, only irritation.

Scamp: But as real­istic as I found the rela­tion­ship between the two, this is still an anime that will toss out a gra­tu­it­ous, pre-pubescent ass shot. Make no mis­take, one of the main aims is still to make sibling-less otaku wish they had a little sis­ter this ‘cute’. She’s not the type of sis­ter that appears in one of her awful games, but the end res­ult on the viewer’s side is the same. If you were a cynic, you wouldn’t be unable to look bey­ond that fact. But for a change, they’re not act­ing in world like it’s a totally nor­mal thing to want and kawaii imouto that you not-so-secretly want to bone. That’s my main issue with the way most anime depict little sis­ters (includ­ing the “but she’s not blood related so it’s all right!” type) and to get one that actu­ally says the total oppos­ite is…refreshing I guess.

meflo­raine: It’s very, very refresh­ing.  In fact, this show takes that idea and spits on it.   Kyousuke doesn’t care that his sister’s butt is wag­ging in the air.  He just wants her out of his room.  Kyousuke doesn’t care that she was a model; he didn’t even know!  And then, Kirino sits and babbles about why she loves little sis­ters, and Kyousuke doesn’t under­stand it at all.  Much like when my little sis­ter rambles about why Hak­u­ouki is actu­ally watch­able, but I digress.

Kirino doesn’t even fit her own ideal little sis­ter char­ac­ter!  Black hair and twin tails?  Nope.  Clearly she must not be a little sis­ter.  She just isn’t that cute.

Scamp: So that’s a per­fect pass from two older sib­lings of sis­ters that are quite clearly ‘not that cute’. Which is exactly what this anime is try­ing to say. It actu­ally ended up hav­ing one of the strongest first epis­odes of the sea­son. Besides, if you actu­ally want brother and sis­ter get­ting it on, there’s Yosuga no Sora air­ing this season.

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43 Comments

  1. Posted October 6, 2010 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    Even so, maybe this is an attempt to demys­tify some things about hav­ing a younger sib­ling (such as that they’re not annoy­ing :P )?

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

      Sib­lings are always annoy­ing. Even when they’re not

      • Poro
        Posted October 8, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

        D: then my rela­tion­ship with my sis­ter is totally alien!!!?!?!? Q_Q my sis­ter and get along just fine. Or is it just because there is such a large age dif­fer­ence between us?? Idk maybe it is because my sis­ter does dress up and wear side­tails quite fash­ion­ably. Per­haps it is because my sis­ter really is the ste­reo­typ­ical little sis­ter found in anime. Per­haps she just can’t annoy­ing me because I am twice her height, can quite lit­er­ally pick her up throw her across the room (with one hand). And sorry little sis­ter across the world, feel no remorse and kicked my sis­ter off my bed.

  2. Posted October 6, 2010 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    I have a little sis­ter too and yes com­plete opos­ite as this girl here lol mine watches some anime but mostly reads manga, we tend to argue more than talk.

    But for the show..I will watch it just for the lols

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

      Arguing is talk­ing! It’s bet­ter than com­pletely ignor­ing one another

      • Poro
        Posted October 8, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

        Not when it degen­er­ates to bick­er­ing. Then, that leads to the younger beat­ing the older and the older just hav­ing to take it.

      • Posted October 9, 2010 at 12:56 am | Permalink

        Y-yeah. My little sis­ter is stronger than me, too. ;__;

  3. Posted October 6, 2010 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    I’m pon­der­ing how I could write and entry and a response to this. My little sis­ter was cute, after the fact, though I was rarely irrit­ated with her… hmm, but I think it goes without say­ing that at some point between sib­lings there is a time when we don’t really know what they do in their free time.

    In the end, I think this series should be more about ‘get­ting along’ rather than ‘get­ting it on’… etc.

    Nice tan­dem post guys :)

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

      Well I do know what my sis­ter does in her free time. She watches anime. More of it than me actu­ally (although that’s because she watches the long run­ning shoun­ens). So I kinda took the approach of what it was like a couple of years ago when I didn’t talk to my sis­ter as much.

  4. Ragnarok
    Posted October 6, 2010 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    I had a look at the manga and is just like Ryana said, is more about get­ting along that get­ting on.

    I don’t have any sib­lings so I don’t know how real­istic this show really is
    so I shall trust the vet­er­ans in this aspect.
    But finally a brother sis­ter rela­tion­ship without incest without tak­ing the eroges into the equa­tion of course.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

      We weren’t sure whether we should use the word Vet­eran. Meflo­raine thought it was a creepy word. But this is my blog so she had to obey by my rules mwahahaha!!

  5. Posted October 6, 2010 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    The sis­con theme kinda bothered me since we all know what to expect. Thank good­ness it wasn’t that hor­rid and like I said in my first impres­sion post, Kirino is relate-able for the like of us. So yes, I agree this is the only show so far that has a strong first episode.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

      Bak­u­man had a fairly strong first epis­ode (along with Arakawa but 2nd sea­son so bleh). But oth­er­wise yeah, this has sur­pris­ingly been one of the strongest first epis­odes of the season

  6. luffyluffy
    Posted October 6, 2010 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    I don’t have an otaku little sis­ter, I AM the otaku little sister.

    With some shades of bud­ding Hikiko­mori too… I should be wor­ried about that.. probably..

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

      So you’re the one hav­ing your bum in the air, look­ing for your dropped yaoi manga under your broth­ers bed hmmm?

      • luffyluffy
        Posted October 6, 2010 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

        And my broth­ers the one look­ing at my ass in the air, yep.

      • Poro
        Posted October 8, 2010 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

        o.o

  7. Posted October 6, 2010 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    I’m really, really glad there’s no incest going on in the show, but not all little sis­ters are irrit­at­ing. Of course I also know bet­ter than to even think about wak­ing my older brother up after he’s gone to bed unless the house was burn­ing down or something.

    Now that we’ve cleared the incest obstacle, we’ll see if the show can keep up with the funniness.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

      I’m pretty cer­tain that even if the house was burn­ing down you wouldn’t straddle him either though

      • Posted October 6, 2010 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

        Yeah that wasn’t real­istic of a typ­ical sib­ling rela­tion­ship at all. I would die before strad­dling my brother — for any reason. Ever.

  8. Posted October 6, 2010 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    First of all, I love that you and meflo­raine teamed up on this — great idea!

    Second, I agree mostly with everything you two com­men­ted on. At THIS point, the series doesn’t go down the creepy, pan­der­ing path. The brother’s reac­tions and thoughts in the first epis­ode sug­gest that he won’t ever think that way…though I’ve seen other com­menters who have read the manga infer oth­er­wise. I hope that their rela­tion­ship stays clean, though other char­ac­ters think­ing oth­er­wise will cer­tainly be wel­come. :P

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

      I’ve read reviews of the LNs and they seem to play up the moe angle more than any­thing else. We’ll have to wait and see. It’s such a strange thing to get hung up on, but it really does bug me how anime acts like it’s totally nor­mal to want to bang your kawaii imouto

  9. smallish
    Posted October 6, 2010 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    What? Shows with real­istic rela­tion­ships between siblings?

    Liar. Those don’t exist.

    (But I’m totally going to check this out. I have an older brother and I always kind of wanted a show that depic­ted that kind of rela­tion­ship in a believ­able, real­istic way.)

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

      I didn’t think they exis­ted either. Appar­ently the only way to do that is to point out that you’re not like those other otaku shows. The only anime that don’t have the kawaii imouto fet­ish are this and Gen­shiken, both done with the inten­tion of going against the standerd

  10. Posted October 6, 2010 at 4:30 am | Permalink

    my younger sis­ter likes anime too and we battle it out all the time over everything. i face­palm and roll my eyes at her all the time but in the end it’s like im her second mom.

    only check­ing this out if they have epic fights like nor­mal sib­lings and extra points if she’s revealed to be a fujoushi.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

      In short, they should stop being awk­ward around each other and even­tu­ally grow used to their hobbies.

      I dunno. It’s lazy to say this, but we’ll see

  11. Posted October 6, 2010 at 4:35 am | Permalink

    I am the younger (twin) sis­ter. I won­der what she’d think…

    You know, it’d be cool if there was a show that real­ist­ic­ally depic­ted the rela­tion­ship between twins without them want­ing to bang each other. Ouren got it close but they still faked want­ing to bang each other. ;__________;

    I give up. There will never be an anime for me. Luck­ily we do also have a younger/older dynamic so it’s not a total loss…

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

      Most twins in anime seem to be basic­ally the same char­ac­ter with a mir­ror image. To use my maths teacher’s favour­ite phrase, they’d be “the same only dif­fer­ent”. Real­istic depic­tion of twins doesn’t really happen

      • Posted October 7, 2010 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

        Yet, I’ve never met a twin who is a mir­ror image, actu­ally. And I’ve met
        a lot of twins. I’ve met twins who are creepily tight, but never mir­ror images.

  12. Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Like what oth­ers have spoken, this anime, so far, has hit it right on the dot in terms of the real­ism factor with the sib­ling inter­ac­tions. So it goes without say­ing that I’ll be inter­ested in see­ing where this show goes, since in my exper­i­ence, hav­ing sib­lings who watch anime does res­ult in some inter­est­ing dis­cus­sions that run from shared exper­i­ences (the whole liv­ing in the same fam­ily deal) even if our pref­er­ences dif­fer oh so slightly.

    Also, the only point at which this anime dif­fers from my life is that my sibs tend to be pretty com­fort­able in their own skin, and so, don’t view that hobby with the near-pariah level that you see in Oreimo.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

      I’ll just toss this out here: I’m not that wor­ried about real­istic char­ac­ters. Everyone’s bro/sis rela­tion­ship is slightly dif­fer­ent so look­ing for real­ism might just be someone elses real­ism. I’m happy as long as they don’t act like they want to bang each other.

      I think the lack of com­fort with her hobby is down to the par­ents and the fact she’s still only 14. You’re still very insec­ure when you’re 14, espe­cially when you’re a girl, so no won­der she’s so wor­ried about this hobby of hers.

  13. Posted October 6, 2010 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    I think what made the first epis­ode work was that the little sis­ter was not the object of sexual desire, as you seem to have feared, but rather as the char­ac­ter that you asso­ci­ate the most with. While Kyousuke may be the main char­ac­ter, the tar­get audi­ence (male otaku), asso­ci­ates much more with Kirino and her obses­sion to pos­sess stuff asso­ci­ated with her favor­ite cute things.

    It’s a com­ment­ary on our hob­bies (not par­tic­u­larly rare any­more), with a slight twist, and “real­ism” will def­in­itely con­tinue to be import­ant for it to be convincing.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

      Well, she was still wav­ing her bum in the air, so it’s not like the show isn’t mak­ing her an object of sexual desire.

      Also I’m not sure if we are meant to asso­ci­ate with Kirino. Think about how many anime have had sar­castic male leads, like Kyon from Haruhi. Those types of char­ac­ters wouldn’t take off if people didn’t like to think of them­selves as sim­ilar to those types of characters.

      That’s still a cyn­ical approach to the show, but when you take off that cyn­ics view, there isn’t actu­ally any­thing reproach­able about Ore no Imouto

  14. Posted October 6, 2010 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Nice post.
    Think I’m gonna check it out.
    Even though the ass shot freaked me out.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

      Try­ing to escape ass shots in anime is a fruit­less task

      • Poro
        Posted October 8, 2010 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

        i would beg to dif­fer. but yeah, if you want to watch some good animes then you will have to go through them. But w.e at least you don’t get flashed in most of them… in MOST of them…

  15. Posted October 6, 2010 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Well this wasn’t bad at all, and you could be fair towards it when you try~

    although, there are sib­ling rela­tion­ship that are really close (not in a sib­con way), where the big brother acts like a cross before guard­ian x BFF— sev­eral of my friends have that, but I guess that’s rel­at­ively rare in the world. Course, like meffy, I was never wor­ried about the incest as much as— being an eroge otaku is hard (;-; ), not that I’m one <.<

    • Scamp
      Posted October 6, 2010 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

      I wasn’t actu­ally try­ing to be fair at all. I was ready to puke all over this =/

      There are sib­ling rela­tion­ships that are really close, but clearly theirs wasn’t one so I adjus­ted my expect­a­tions to that level

  16. Posted October 6, 2010 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    The prob­lem with this show isn’t the sis­ter stuff. I just don’t find see­ing someone being insec­ure about their hobby all that inter­est­ing. At least with Gen­shiken there was more to it than “I’m an otaku and people think that’s bad.” That sounds way too much like the plot to a bad after­school spe­cial from the 80s. I’ll give it another epis­ode or two, but I’m not feel­ing it.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 7, 2010 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

      Well it was only the first epis­ode. And it was as much about the brother and sis­ter find­ing some­thing that helps them grow closer together than it was insec­ur­ity about a hobby

  17. Posted October 6, 2010 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    I, for one, am not yet con­vinced of the pur­ity of its inten­tions. The girl has only interest in sis­con eroge, not yaoi or other shoujo ship­ping fod­der. That’s weird no mat­ter how you cut it. Then, she’s a pro model in middle school(?), without her brother or parent’s know­ledge. I’m not say­ing it couldn’t hap­pen, its the way the epis­ode brushed it off like it was noth­ing was what set off alarm bells. And finally, like you noted, it’s pre­oc­cu­pied with fram­ing the girl in com­prom­ising pos­i­tions, like on top of her brother in bed late at night. It’s say­ing one thing, but doing another, which makes me believe its inten­tions aren’t as kosher as it seems.

    • Scamp
      Posted October 7, 2010 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

      A girl who likes yaoi manga wouldn’t be quite as much a hobby to be ashamed of I would have thought.

      I do agree that it still will cater to that crowd that like the idea of hav­ing a cute little sis­ter who they want to bang. But that’s tak­ing very much a cyn­ics approach. That’s like com­plain­ing about the Panty Stock­ing trans­form­a­tion sequence because it’s used to sell fig­urenes of them in that pose. That’s like com­plain­ing about a new mecha because it’s just there to have more gun­pla to sell. It’s true, but so long as they don’t effect the qual­ity of said anime then it shouldn’t be a problem.

  18. Posted October 8, 2010 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    I think a lot of otaku, who are already skep­tical of cer­tain social norms, don’t quite buy into the incest taboo. Espe­cially if they don’t actu­ally have an imouto, they might not have to take it ser­i­ously — I know a few people who required explan­a­tions to “get” it.

    Kadian and oth­ers point out the use of risque scenes, which raises an inter­est­ing ques­tion: such scenes appear through­out other anime. Are we being hyper­sens­it­ive about them here because of the under­cur­rent of nor­mal­iz­ing incest? And if the show doesn’t make a big deal of it, do we actu­ally think that is going to cause some­thing to hap­pen? Or are we simply reflex­ively shud­der­ing at the thought because we are trained to do so?

    Ques­tion­ing society’s taboos is the most essen­tial func­tion of art, so even if the show is pan­der­ing and risque, in this con­text, it would be artistic.

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