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Ore no Imouto episode 7

Despite being far and away the most overblogged show on AnimeNano, these Ore no Imouto posts bring the readers flocking in, especially in comparison to the other shows I’m blogging. My Arakawa posts have never been popular, even last season, but an Ore no Imouto gets about double the amount a typical Bakuman post would. This is despite the fact I routinely point out the flaws of the anime. Is everyone watching it actually not enjoying it? Or does reading someone bash the show you like compelling? I suppose Kuroneko and Kirino keep meeting each other despite spending the entire time criticising each other’s favourite anime, so I guess there’s some truth in fiction being proved by this blog alone.

The divide between good Ore no Imouto and bad Ore no Imouto has never been so clearly divided as it was in this episode. They basically split the episode in two between the otaku pandering siscon crap and the budding friendship between Kirino and Kuroneko and how Saori-shi gets Kyousuke to play as the diplomat between the two, clearly believing that he’s more capable of bridging the divide between the two and preventing the two from gouging each other’s eyes out. At least when he’s around, they refrain from directly attacking each other and leave it to portraying the other in fiction as being sexually violated.

I do love the dynamic created between the 4 characters. As 2DT said, it can all be taken as every girl being in love with him and using their own methods to try get his attention. Not necessarily a bad thing though, because each method is different and fairly-well constructed so that it’s actually entertaining to watch. Harems get a lot of stick but anything can be entertaining if written well. Bakemonogatari is the best example of this. That anime is a massive construction of a perfect world for Arararagi and, by extension, the otaku male viewer. But it’s done so cleverly and often not noticeably until someone points it out to you that it’s a great feat of story-telling. It’s when you replace crappy writing, plot, characterisation and all other parts that make a good story with pandering that drives it down. You can create a harem anime that panders to the viewer so long as it isn’t a substitute for engaging writing. You can write moe so long as it isn’t a cover for your other flaws.

Which is why Kuroneko’s existence in the anime is baffling. She exists in the show to point out how the type of anime Kirino likes is the otaku-pandering crap that it is. That the moe is covering up for the other flaws. Notice how Kirinio is far too preoccupied with dancing away and performing a KIRABOSHI~♥ than actually paying attention to the show itself, and recoils when Kuroneko points out the contradictions the show has. Yet the show then goes and performs exactly what Kuroneko pointed out as being a bad thing right throughout the second half of the anime. Why? Like, why? You’re clearly a more intelligent show than this Ore no Imouto. Why must you insist on then reverting to type and become the very type of anime you’re mocking? I just don’t understand.

Anyone who still thinks this anime is a genuine depiction of a heartwarming brother and sister relationship has the self-deception capabilites to rival a member of the Flat Earth Society (they went to a love hotel on Christmas Eve for fuck sake. Read the bloody signs). But it’s not the squickyness of incest I’m bothered about anymore. If Ore no Imouto actually went the full way with an incest end, my respect for it would actually increase for having the balls to do so. But it won’t. We all know it won’t. The Ore no Imouto dating sim game has a siscon end, but in a story in which every ending is canon, none are. It’s just too busy pretending it’s a genuine bro/sis relationship while pandering to the siscon crowd at the same time. It doesn’t have the balls to actually go one way or the other. I’d love to be proven wrong. For Ore no Imouto to have a Cart Driver ending. But it won’t. We’ll end on a ‘heart-warming’ scene, followed by the brother walking in on her in the shower and then falling on top of her, in much the same way something like Kannagi ended.

Why yes. Yes I am, and shame on you for not doing the same thing. Anime is serious business, don’t you know. Blogging anime even more so.

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36 Comments

  1. Posted November 15, 2010 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    I was kind of wondering if maybe OreImo -wasn’t- getting as many readers, since I got very few hits on my episodic post for it. Guess I just fail at episodics all around. /sob

    And yeah…I was so amused when Kyousuke told Kirino everything she was doing for Christmas was straight out of eroge, because it definitely was…at least the show even acknowledges what it’s like. It knows better than to try something else.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 15, 2010 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

      I bet if you wrote a Bakuman post, you’d get more hits than I do. Bakuman hit count really does pale miserably in comparison to Ore no Imouto.

      This is one of the oldest points I’ve been making on this blog: Pointing out what you are doing does not constitute as parody. I don’t think Ore no Imouto ever pretends these parts are parody, but I would like to quash that idea that this is in some way humourous that it does this

      • Posted November 16, 2010 at 12:44 am | Permalink

        Yeah, but I don’t have anything much to say about Bakuman. Just kind og waiting to see what the hell is decides to do to prove the manga is better next.

        I don’t think it means to say it’s a parody…I just think it’s aware of its stupid choices. And uh, I’ll be amused if I want to!

  2. Posted November 15, 2010 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Maybe OreImo is attempting to mock the fans that think like Kuroneko, and the only reason why people think it’s the opposite way around is because they’re far closer to Kuroneko’s point of view. More often than not, the target of the joke doesn’t realize he’s being mocked.

    That’d explain why OreImo goes right back to being an otaku pandering series: it expects you to find Kuroneko’s stance ridiculous while siding with the pervert sister.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 15, 2010 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

      I…hadn’t thought of it like that.

      Mind = Blown

  3. Taka
    Posted November 16, 2010 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    I think the show sees either stance as being equally viable. Like Landon says though, the closer you are to the mocked the less you will see the mocking. Omo’s recent post supplements it by saying that the average Western anime viewer is like Kuroneko and we might have the tendency to look down on a Kirino type viewer.

    I enjoy both moepuke and more mature, “plot-y” anime so i see both mocked and weighed with no conclusion of which is “correct”.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 16, 2010 at 9:36 am | Permalink

      You see my mind? Lying on the ground over there? Yup, it was just blown.

      It’s like that American TV show where a guy spouts ridiculously right-wing views to mock the extreme right wingers, but those very people he’s mocking think he believes what he’s saying and agrees with him. I simply couldn’t see that because I’m so grounded in Kuroneko’s side

      • Posted November 17, 2010 at 6:28 am | Permalink

        are you talking about stephen colbert? *fangasm everywhere*

        …i want you to blog kuragehime D: /unrelated

      • Scamp
        Posted November 17, 2010 at 10:39 am | Permalink

        I probably should have blogged Kuragehime. Oh wellz~

        There’s plenty of other great blogs following that show anyway

      • luffyluffy
        Posted November 18, 2010 at 12:17 am | Permalink

        You’re the number 1 blogger in the whole wide world

  4. Jampa
    Posted November 16, 2010 at 2:07 am | Permalink

    How did you people reach the conclusion that Kureneko is taking on the view of the average Western viewer??

    Kuroneko is in the same league as Kirino, hardly main-stream. The style of Mascara is fancy clothes/BL/convulted plot/overcomplex dialogue – basically mocking the type of fans that laud contradiction/ambiguity/drama for drama’s sake as ‘deep’. Meruru on the other hand is moe stream ignoring all laws of reality/logic/coherance, pretty much a combination of the chibi/moe and the hot-blood genre eg TTGL where everything will resolve within itself as long as the main character wills it.

    Both Kirino and Kuroneko’s attack on each other’s taste are valid:
    Judged from the main stream, Mascara pretentious, Meruru insane.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 16, 2010 at 9:38 am | Permalink

      I would reply, but my brain has been turned to mush by the two previous comments

      Ok, I had a sit down and think about this. Ore no Imouto mocks both ends of the spectrum. It mocks the moecrap more readily, which is really the only reason Kuroneko exists. However the important point is it then goes and does exactly what Kuroneko mocks in a non-self mocking way. That’s the difference between what you’re saying and what Landon is saying. It’s as though Ore no Imouto expects the viewer to love the stuff Kuroneko is mocking. That the viewer is like Kirino and cry in delight as the anime uses the same pandering techniques.

      Basically, this is the most blatant and clear shout out to imouto fans as a rallying flag. Those who aren’t a fan, see the flaws that are being pointed out and accept them as flaws. Really, I shouldn’t be watching a show that’s so clearly aimed at the siscon crowd. Doesn’t mean it’s free from criticism for doing this stuff though

  5. luffyluffy
    Posted November 16, 2010 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    Water bucket.

    Middle of Winter.

    BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO DO SOMETHING FOR HER.

    AFTER HE BOUGHT HER A 30,000 YEN RING.

    God, I *bleep*ing hate you Kirino.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 16, 2010 at 9:39 am | Permalink

      Truly an otaku’s wet dream

    • seansky
      Posted November 16, 2010 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

      just pointing out he didnt buy that 30k ring. :)

  6. Tenchi ryu
    Posted November 16, 2010 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    So in the end, the bitch was less of a bitch, but still a bitch no less. I agree with you, all my hopes of this blossoming into a healthy relationship has been shot down like that character in the anime they were watching. This is clearly incest desires in disguise. Poor manami. Hopefully kyou will still go to her house in the next episode. Did the writer not learn from koi kaze? No matter how “in love” siblings can be, it will NEVER work in the real world they are trying to portray. And how do some people still not see kirino as a bitch, she asked her brother to get hit by a damn car, then secretly wanted to f$%k him in a hotel room. In the words of outcast: Crazy Bitch

    • Scamp
      Posted November 16, 2010 at 9:41 am | Permalink

      You still held hope that this was a realistic bro/sis relationship? Yeah, my hopes for that had gone by episode 4. Shame, but at least you’ve realised your folly by now.

      Heh, outcast

      Stupid ass bitch
      (crazy bitch)
      dumb ass bitch
      (crazy bitch)

      Kirino (kirino~) She’s the reason for the word bitch (bitch)

  7. Posted November 16, 2010 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    I’m trying to bring myself to watch the episode after finding out what happens in the second half.

    I think I just want to know what lame excuse they came up with the brother buying the sister a ring, then staying in a hotel. I mean, it’s Christmas Eve, they just ditched their parents like that?

    I mean, I well, like series nobody should like and enjoy them, and I like parts of it, but the lack of logic in the pandering parts HURTS. They don’t even try to make it make sense. Dammit.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 16, 2010 at 9:43 am | Permalink

      You could skip it? Or just accept that this is what Ore no Imouto does. It all becomes easier when you accept it

      • Posted November 16, 2010 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

        I want an attempt at logic…is that too much to ask…;_;

    • hikaru
      Posted November 16, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

      In Japan, I think Christmas Eve is meant to be more of a couples thing than a family thing (have just been reading Otomen where the main character emphasises how Christmas is meant to be a ‘holy romantic day’ or something like that).

      So yeah, this just gives the ‘date’ that much more of an incest feel…

      The first part of the episode was really much better. I really liked the bits where Kirino and Kuroneko imitated each other! And then Kyosuke saying ‘woah, she really put her soul into that!’ as a reaction =D

      • Scamp
        Posted November 17, 2010 at 10:41 am | Permalink

        Yeah. Buying Ring + Christmas Eve + Love Hotel. You’d swear they were giving us signs or something -_-

  8. Posted November 16, 2010 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    lol, the angry reactions to the second half of the episode are kind of amusing. It didn’t get me riled up; I just thought it was boring. But, hey, Kirino has her crappy cell phone novel so at least someone is happy.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 16, 2010 at 9:44 am | Permalink

      I’m not particularly angry or anything, since this is what I’ve come to expect from Ore no Imouto. Anyone who is genuinely angry had just managed to delude themselves that the show wasn’t siscon pandering moecrap and finally getting that view shoved in their faces

      • Posted November 16, 2010 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

        Well, I was more referring to the comments than your post.

  9. seansky
    Posted November 16, 2010 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    i still think anime shud be less serious than this….. if i enjoy a show, i dont really know why i enjoy it, and if i dont like i show, i just cant stand watching it, simple as that. All anime are obviously targeted at certain groups of ppl, and there are bound to be ppl who dont like certain anime, so it is rather pointless to critique them, or argue about them. :)

  10. anon
    Posted November 16, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    >This is despite the fact I routinely point out the flaws of the anime. Is everyone watching it actually not enjoying it?

    Unlike about other shows, I completely agree with what you’ve been saying about Ore no Imouto. However, there are at least two possible reasons why people would enjoy this show but still want to read your comments about it:

    – the show being imperfect doesn’t hamper their enjoyment of it
    – they like reading an opposing perspective on shows they like

    >Why? Like, why? You’re clearly a more intelligent show than this Ore no Imouto. Why must you insist on then reverting to type and become the very type of anime you’re mocking?

    I’m unsure how likely it is, but if we assume that the writer does have talent and sense, we must conclude that it’s intentional. Maybe this is leading up to a troll end (from the perspective of the incest fans)?

    Let us hope …

    • Scamp
      Posted November 17, 2010 at 10:43 am | Permalink

      I would be highly amused if they pulled off a troll end. But I really don’t think the show has the balls to have anything other than a tease and open end.

  11. Posted November 17, 2010 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    I think Scamp is being too analytical here, and he’s siding too much for Kuroneko.

    That being said, I think Omo and the doc has a say in this matter, so I’ll let them do the talking for me, for you:

    http://www.omonomono.com/2010/11/15/oreimo-on-omgbbqftlqcbk-factions/

    http://not.dotq.org/2010/10/27/cant-we-all-just-get-along/

    • Scamp
      Posted November 17, 2010 at 10:44 am | Permalink

      Whut, all get along? Why would we want to do that? Where’s the fun in that? Where would we get as a community if all we did was pat each other on the back?

      • Posted November 17, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

        I personally only feel close and warm fuzzies toward Scamp when I’m disagreeing with him, or making fun of him~

  12. mks
    Posted November 17, 2010 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    I see a misunderstanding here. the argument between two is about not really moe vs plot or moe vs bishes. Jampa already pointed out pretty much everything of what the argument is about. but let me make things little clearer.

    Moe and bishes with fanservice have been inevitable elements for anime that few of them managed to stay away from. Even legendary Evangelion has ALL of them. they are more like salt and vinegar for chips. It is natural that few people prefer to eat chips without them and vice versa.

    Is Meruru all about salt and vinegar?
    Kirino insisted at episode 2 that the show had GAR, intensive battles, fluent animation and great music that could lead the show to an excellent entertainment. Somehow Kiddy or Shonen theme animes tend to have those elements.
    Kuroneko’s talk back was like GAR and what not are bleh I forgot (There was a funsub error. Moe and GAR are very same spelling in Japanese. They should have translated those lines as GAR in that context.)
    So Kuroneko virtually represented people who scored low for TTGL at Anime Forums.
    On the other hand, She likes dark, cool looking and complex shows.
    Kirino described her as a pretentious emo teenage-complex.
    That goes to some anime fans that I refuse to write down.

    Kuroneko partly, but indeed stand against moeblobs. However, Kirino does not exactly stand against plotty shows. She simply hates pretentiousness of some animes.

    And that could explaind why the show turned to seemingly moeblob way at second part of this episode.
    Because the show is neither side of moe, plot or whatever.
    It’s just a pure tsundere incest show.
    All the other side plots were made because maybe the sponsor said so.

    • Jampa
      Posted November 18, 2010 at 12:37 am | Permalink

      I think the misunderstanding comes about due to dislike of moe, and by extension my enemy’s enemy is my friend. An analogy will be: You strongly dislike a particular election candidate, so you decided to vote for the opposing side and believe the other side should be on yourside, I mean they oppose each other, right? But once you studied their policies, you may find them equally bad.

      To be honest the meaning behind Kuroneko and Kirino’s tastes are way overplayed here. I see them as simple characterisations to flesh out the relationship between Kirino and Kuroneko – almost sibling like bickering.

      Also note, Kuroneko hates the lack of logic and plot in Meruru, not the fact it is moe. She doesn’t like the ‘missing bits’ which are abundant in shows she loves. On the other hand, Meruru doesn’t NEED logic or plot to begin with.

      • Jampa
        Posted November 18, 2010 at 6:29 am | Permalink

        Oh, and I absolutely hate the fact that many thought Kirino forced Kyosuke to buy the ring (30000 yen). He didn’t have enough money, the end. The compromise – Kirino is showing she can be accomodating, too! Afterall it’s not about what you receive but you did get something from the person you like (I think ‘love’ is exaggerated in the sub), regardless of how you manipulated the purchase :P) was the ear-ring, and in the novel it costs about as much Kyosuke carried, so he got cleaned up. However I really don’t think it’s her being bitchy or difficult but rather she’s detached from what a ‘normal’ HS male typically carries. And this also raises the tantalising question of….Who paid for the love hotel and therefore who’s the pimp? Tsk tsk show’s really doing a lot to imply brocon complex.

  13. Roghek
    Posted November 18, 2010 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Please God let all this just be a dream, that all I have to say.

  14. akani
    Posted November 19, 2010 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    One thing I would like to point out is that Kirino is doing the Ranka Lee KIRA~ pose while a lot of people are thinking that she’s doing the KIRABOSHI pose. The two are different – Ranka’s pose has the index and pinky finger sticking out while the KIRABOSHI pose has the index and middle finger sticking out.

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