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No longer the newbie and the latest generation of anime fans

Hey Scamp, do you have a MAL account? I’m curi­ous as to what these new “you­tube gen­er­a­tion” fans are into these days.

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I had always seen myself as the latest gen­er­a­tions of anime fans. Not an incor­rect assump­tion either. I only star­ted watch­ing anime mid-2007. The You­tube Gen­er­a­tion was sym­bol­ised by the ever-present and easy access of every and any anime thanks to the rampant pres­ence of illegal streams, nor­mally on You­tube (in fact, you could look at the pro­gress of the You­tube gen­er­a­tion through which stream­ing sites they used. You­tube to Veoh to Mega­video to what next?) You could also call it the MAL gen­er­a­tion in how the focus changed from a small amount of anime being pre­cious to focus­ing on con­sum­ing as much anime as pos­sible. But, more import­antly for the pur­pose of this post, it was the latest gen­er­a­tion. This meant that everything that is, always was. A descrip­tion of a show remained the same. Fan opin­ion of cer­tain anime remained the same, because that’s what they were always like in my memory of fan­dom. How­ever it appears the next gen­er­a­tion has arrived.

The real­isa­tion only dawned on me yes­ter­day but the signs had been there already. Azu­manga Daoih being con­sidered a clas­sic? I mean, it’s not like I was around when that aired but cer­tainly I had never seen any­one refer to it as a clas­sic before. Or see­ing Hell­sing men­tioned as a newer anime fan as some­thing old and ugly look­ing. I sup­pose it is 9 years old now and I guess looks a little bit dated com­pared to the most recent anime, but really?

This is meant to sym­bol­ise dif­fer­ent gen­er­a­tions. Or something

It goes bey­ond just cer­tain anime aging in the eyes of fan­dom. Other anime are being spoken about in dif­fer­ent ways. When people dis­cuss the long-running shoun­ens, nobody seems to list Inuyasha any­more, far more often referred to as a show with crazy fangirls. Elfen Lied was one of the most opinion-splitting anime and would prompt rage dis­cus­sions between admirers and haters. Now bring it up in con­ver­sa­tion and you’re far more likely to get intel­li­gent dis­cus­sion, or at the very least some men­tion­ing of the shock factor of the first 10 minutes. When list­ing out the all-time great anime, I just don’t see the Ken­shin Trust and Betrayal OVA men­tioned any­more . It’s not like people have stopped lik­ing it as much. Con­versely I see Galactic Her­oes talked about far more often. I used to believe that there was a cer­tain amount of con­tempt reserved for Samurai Champloo but now it appears to be remembered more fondly.

It’s hard to talk with any sort of full author­ity here because some­times your mind can be warped by what only a few com­ments say, but fan opin­ion has cer­tainly changed. I am no longer the latest gen­er­a­tion of anime fans. Everything I believed to be true is no longer so. There is a new gen­er­a­tion with a dif­fer­ent per­cep­tion to everything I once held. This doesn’t mean I’m dis­en­chanted or any­thing like that. It was just a shock when I had real­ised what had happened.

When I men­tioned this dra­matic change in my iden­tity as an anime fan on twit­ter, I got responses that essen­tially said ‘been there, done that’. I’m sure that many of you read­ing this post have been any fans longer than me, long since hav­ing passed this stage in anime fan­dom and all I’m doing is mak­ing you feel old. But screw you guys. This is a big deal for me.

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49 Comments

  1. Posted July 24, 2010 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Well, on the bright side, you haven’t reacted in that clas­sic grognard fash­ion so com­mon to our kind– i.e. the “Everything sucks, anime used to be so much bet­ter” reac­tion. Which means you can adjust and learn to love the new. :)

    Actu­ally, speak­ing of Galactic Her­oes, I am noti­cing a bit of throwback-ism among newer fans, or at least the ones who talk on the Inter­net. It’s some­thing I want to talk about at greater length some other time, but I’m glad you brought up that title.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

      I’m going to rely on my read­ers to warn me if/when I start head­ing down the path of grumpy oldfag.

      I look for­ward to the Galactic Her­oes post. It seems almost none of the praise around the series comes from those who watched it back in the day

      • Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

        I didn’t watch Galactic Her­oes back in the day. Or at all, actu­ally. Sorry to get your hopes up… What I’m talk­ing about is the phe­nomenon of “new” fans who pur­posely gobble up older series, for cred­ib­il­ity or because they actu­ally find it more inter­est­ing. But hey, I hope you look for­ward to that too!

        And I’ll keep you on your toes, young man, don’t worry. ;)

      • Scamp
        Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

        That’s what I meant actually…=/

  2. sn1987a
    Posted July 24, 2010 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    (Lurker delurk­ing.)

    I didn’t start watch­ing anime more reg­u­larly until DDLs become more access­ible, so in the past 2 years or so. Before that, I watched a few series on TV/DVD and was mostly a manga reader. Tech­no­logy is mov­ing fast enough that I’ve been spoiled by all the HD epis­odes, so going back to watch older anime (mean­ing early 21st cen­tury) /does/ make me think the anim­a­tion qual­ity is “old.” Then again, 8–10 years (a dec­ade) is a long time.

    Though I’ve never really thought of myself as the “latest gen­er­a­tion of anime fans.” For some reason, I tend to relate “gen­er­a­tion” to “age.” Most of the people my age, if they watch anime at all, watched Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball Z when grow­ing up, so I’d refer to myself as the SM/DBZ gen­er­a­tion, even though I never really watched anime back then…

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

      Defin­ing your own gen­er­a­tion is indeed another topic of dis­cus­sion. You could tech­nic­ally be in your 40’s and be part of the You­tube gen­er­a­tion. I sup­pose it’s defined by whenever you became aware of anime fan­dom, although that’s a very foggy defin­i­tion. I watched DBZ when it was air­ing but I was never aware of its anime status so I don’t con­sider myself part of that generation.

      Also, even with all these HD qual­ity epis­odes around, I still think Evan­gelion looks bet­ter than most series released today

  3. Posted July 24, 2010 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    I don’t even remem­ber when I came to this real­iz­a­tion … prob­ably when I star­ted get­ting heav­ier into anime, and then I sud­denly noticed that the fan­dom had com­pletely changed com­pared to when I was a cas­ual fan, haha.

    It is kind of weird which titles carry on through the ebb and flow of fan­dom, and which are left behind. Someday there’s going to be an entire gen­er­a­tion of fans (dear god I hope this isn’t hap­pen­ing right now) that hasn’t seen, say, Cow­boy Bebop, which is utterly bonkers to me.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

      Some shows get lost in the ebb and flow of fan­dom. How many people nowadays care about Ten­chi Muyo? That was HUGE back in the day, yet it’s been totally swept away.

      I think series like Bebop and Evan­gelion are too highly reguarded to get swept under for another dec­ade or so. It’s the shows that every­one knows but doesn’t nessesarilly reguard highly that will get swept away. Elfen Lied will be for­got­ten in the next few years. So will Full Metal Panic, Clay­more, Tri­gun, Spice and Wolf, K-ON and so on. People will remem­ber Haruhi, Death Note, Geass and Gur­ren Lagann for a long time yet

  4. Hogart
    Posted July 24, 2010 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    I still remem­ber the early moe days where over-done viol­ence towards anime men was still con­sidered a little grot­esque and shock­ing. And the pre-moe Eva days where everything had to be a mind­fucker and/or have mecha. And the pre-Eva/Bebop days, where I’d be all up on the VHS for my fix. And I won’t go back any fur­ther for fear of old­f­ags call­ing me an olderfag (my wife is already doing so as I type this).

    But you know what? It just makes the par­od­ies more fun to catch. It’s alright to be the only old­fag crack­ing up at a ref­er­ence that might be older than the people who are watch­ing it with you. You can be the one that catches the new­f­ags as they turn into old­f­ags, and intro­duce them to worlds they were too snob­bish to explore because they couldn’t stom­ach the thought of watch­ing some­thing that wasn’t HD.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

      I’m jeal­ous of your experience…

      10 years time. In 10 years I will make the most awe­some set of dec­ade roundup posts that will be told from the per­spect­ive of a man who sat right in the middle of all it. Until then I’ll have to basque in my new­bie light

  5. luffyluffy
    Posted July 24, 2010 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    I guess you could say that I’m this new gen­er­a­tion too. I first star­ted watch­ing anime ser­i­ously back in 7th grade, which was about 5 years ago. The first anime was the ori­ginal FMA. Though, before that, I’d seen sev­eral epis­odes of Cow­boy Bebop and Samurai Champloo on Adult Swim, never know­ing what ‘anime’ is. To be hon­est, I don’t know what Gen­er­a­tion I am…

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

      Sounds like the same gen­er­a­tion as me. It’s just I flew through series at an incred­ible rate so I guess I pro­gressed faster

  6. Posted July 24, 2010 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    I star­ted get­ting into anime around 2000, when dubbed anime was flour­ish­ing on U.S. TV, com­puter fan­subs were just start­ing out, and You­Tube stream­ing didn’t exist. In my early years, I was a bit more of a fangirl and was always like “Every anime is so cool!” and was just pour­ing out love for every anime I watched all over the place. Nowadays I know that there are plenty of crap anime too and I’m much more ana­lyt­ical. I’m still not too crit­ical of anime though, and I don’t think I could ever fall into the “Everything sucks, anime used to be so much bet­ter” phase that 2DT men­tioned above.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

      In my mind we have this new gen­er­a­tion. Then before that is the You­tube Gen­er­a­tion. Then the Naruto/Adult Swim gen­er­a­tion. Then your gen­er­a­tion, which is argu­ably defined by Love Hina see­ing as it was the first digit­ally dis­trib­uted fan­subbed anime. It marked the new era.

      • Vinnie
        Posted July 25, 2010 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

        How about myself? In 2003 in the UK, anime was SO hard to find it was ridicu­lous. Either go to a shady trad­ing shop and pay about £20 for a DVD since they could set the price at whatever they wanted… rootle through ‘world cinema’ and feel lucky to even find an anime movie. I remem­ber going to Wells in early 2004 and being amazed when it had one carou­sel of manga.

        So I kind of had to use the Inter­net when we first got broad­band. We used AOL, and AOL had this integ­rated video search, and I typed in Sailor Moon. Luck­ily for me, someone had added pretty much all the DVD-subbed epis­odes (which is amaz­ing at 200 epis­odes). So I’d fire up my com­puter and the inter­net, wait for 2 or 3 epis­odes to load while doing my home­work, and watch them. It was so cool. <3 (Well, to me any­way.) I had to wait until the anime boom to get inter­ested in other things.

        And yes, I am of the gen­er­a­tion where people loved InuYasha. It was on Adult Swim so all my Amer­ican online friends in anime chat-rooms were talk­ing about it. I watched an epis­ode and really dis­liked it. I think that because InuYasha’s manga fin­ished, people didn’t really care about the recent anime that came out. When Bleach’s manga fin­ishes (as appar­ently it will be soon), and Naruto fol­lows suit, I actu­ally can’t ima­gine the future for anime then. Japan will still put out qual­ity titles, but the audi­ence will dimin­ish, since quite a few anime fans I know watch/read Bleach and Naruto and noth­ing else. I just don’t see any­thing suc­ceed­ing it. :<

      • Scamp
        Posted July 25, 2010 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

        It was remark­able when that last sea­son of Inuyasha came out recently how little fuss was made over it. I put it in my Fantasy Anime League on MAL so I know exactly how few people were watch­ing it on that site. Remark­able really.

        Noth­ing has fol­lowed Bleach/Naruto really. The closest since Bleach would prob­ably be D Gray Man but that ended about a year ago already so eh. Some­thing will come along if one of those two end. One Piece is still run­ning and accord­ing to the mangaka has only reached halfway. I’d be shocked if someone else didn’t try start another long-running shounen. Fairy Tail was sup­possed to be it but that was crap

  7. BlueYoshi
    Posted July 24, 2010 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    I’m draw­ing a huge blank on what to write, so I’m just going to go all stream of thought on you. And it’s 3am, that’s a nice excuse for the crap I’m about to write.

    I belong to the the Youtube/MAL gen­er­a­tion. Start­ing anime ser­i­ously in mid 2006 via stream­ing sites and hir­ing DVD’s, I never seemed to spend a whole lot of money to get my anime fix. I’ve been a mem­ber of MAL for over 3 years, and have noticed a lot of changes over fan opin­ion, so I def­in­itely agree with you that a new gen­er­a­tion is start­ing to bloom.

    Mid 2006 — Mid 2008: 85 anime com­pleted
    Mid 2008 — Mid 2009: 5 anime com­pleted. Star­ted a lot but ulti­mately put on hold.
    Mid 2009 — Now: 0 anime com­pleted. Less than 10 started.

    And yet there’s a strange prob­lem with me at the moment. As soon as I tried to switch from low qual­ity streams to high qual­ity files back in 2008, I’ve been watch­ing less and less, until I decided to just focus on manga until I got a decent inter­net plan. If I tried hard enough, I could be watch­ing just as many anime as I used to. I don’t think I’ve become an art­house snob (pfft, the last anime I com­pleted was the second sea­son of Tower of Dru­aga lol), or become burned out on anime (I still have the urge to watch anime and I still enjoy the medium). I feel like I’ve gone back­wards, to an older gen­er­a­tion that, as you said, focus on a very small, pre­cious amount of anime.

    And the anime I’m cur­rently try­ing to watch and com­plete (Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Com­plex, Para­noia Agent), I bought DVD box sets with my own cash.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

      That’s a very strange part of fan­dom to be in. What makes anime stand out over many other medi­ums is how it’s one of the only ones that has both long and cohes­ive nar­rit­ives. No other medium has so many series like FMA that would con­tinue for so long but with a con­stant story. So it seems strange that someone would throw aside that very part of anime by never com­plet­ing a series.

  8. Posted July 24, 2010 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    I’ve watched (con­sumed?) anime in a rather haphaz­ard man­ner, so I feel like I’ve never been a part of any kind of a “gen­er­a­tion” or even taken much of a part in any trend in view­ing that’s come and/or gone over the past dec­ade. But I think I know what you’re talk­ing about. I haven’t seen Azu­manga Daoih yet, but I remem­ber when it was new, and now I totally get the feel­ing that entry-level fans today con­sider it to be utterly and com­pletely ancient, des­pite being released around the mid­point of the past decade.

    I was the first kid on the block to have a DVD player — just after they were intro­duced too, prob­ably the first and last time I’ve really been in on the ground floor with any new technology/format — so that was really import­ant to me and kind of defined how I’ve come to value both image qual­ity in what I watch as well as phys­ical media in gen­eral. So it’s been dis­con­cert­ing, to say the least, to watch this gen­er­a­tion (per­haps even the one before it) not only dis­reg­ard the import­ance of own­ing anime on phys­ical media, but actu­ally prefer col­lect­ing it as digital files rather than as discs to line up on a shelf. Per­haps we haven’t reached that point just yet, but it feels like the inev­it­able next step.

    I don’t begrudge any of these new/younger fans, I just hope that their way of watch­ing and under­stand­ing anime doesn’t lead to an early burnout.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

      The prob­lem with the burnout is you don’t hear from people who exper­i­ence it so it’s hard to gauge why it hap­pens. It’s like ask­ing dead people what the after­life is like.

      Phys­ical media prob­ably will die even­tu­ally but it will take its sweet time to do so. Thing is, we don’t know what dir­ec­tion tech­no­logy will move. Whodathunk we’d be stor­ing our anime digit­ally back when Evan­gelion was airing?

      (semi-related note: Yikes these com­ments are tak­ing ages to reply to. I’m only halfway through!)

  9. Posted July 24, 2010 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    I get the sense that the gen­er­a­tional turnover period is get­ting shorter and shorter. Where once in the early 90s a 10 year gap in view­ing exper­i­ence (in the West­ern hemi­sphere, I’ve no idea about Japan) wasn’t as big as even 3 years today is. It’s this blas­ted inter­net thing, mak­ing every series made avail­able so quickly that the col­lect­ive short term memory of this show or that show is being trun­cated fur­ther and fur­ther. Where the rule for spoil­ers might have been a 5 year min­imum a dec­ade ago, today you’d be lucky to make it through 1 whole year of con­stant vigil­ance to not get ruined of some major twist.

    And you mis­numbered my name! rawrarwar!!

    • Posted July 24, 2010 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

      Yeah, I was think­ing about this earlier … way back in my day (aged 15 years writ­ing that), DVDs were expens­ive and came mostly in singles (the wait for box­sets was excru­ci­at­ing), and the Internet/file shar­ing wasn’t nearly as effi­cient as today (and damned if I could have figured out how to do that shit back then, any­way), so TV was my main expos­ure to anime. You’ve heard all the stor­ies about gen­er­a­tions prior, too.

      So, expos­ure to anime and inform­a­tion about anime was just a hell of a lot more lim­ited; unless you were way ahead of the curve, you weren’t over­sat­ured with shows/information, so the good stuff stuck in your head for a long time after, because you almost HAD to wait for local com­pan­ies to offi­cially release the shows.

      But now we have access to so much shit — and people have a tend­ency to focus most shows cre­ated in their time — that older series fade away (or at least become a bit less influ­en­tial on fan­dom) much quicker because of that sat­ur­a­tion. Even in a shitty sea­son, I’m watch­ing five shows. Just a few years ago, I would watch maybe one or two shows a sea­son. And I have a lot of anime-watching exper­i­ence, but most of what I have seen is still from a spe­cific period of time. There’s just so much out there, and a lot slips through the cracks because so many people (includ­ing myself) prob­ably do not fil­ter enough.

      It’s not really a prob­lem lim­ited to anime either — you’ll see it in pretty much every fan­dom, and in areas out­side of enter­tain­ment as well. There’s a bene­fit to hav­ing a lot of inform­a­tion avail­able to con­sume quickly, but there’s a clear down­side to it as well.

      • fathomlessblue
        Posted July 25, 2010 at 1:34 am | Permalink

        Totally agree if you everything you’ve said Shin­maru, the turnover is so quick and even with a sea­son as crappy as this the con­sump­tion is far greater. I’m cur­rently watch­ing 6 shows while 30+ well regarded anime sit unwatched on my hard-drive. I haven’t even watched Honey and Clover which is prob­ably con­sidered crim­inal in some circles.

        Also, if you thought find­ing anime in your youth was dif­fi­cult in the US then spare a thought for the UK back then. Anime was (or is) never shown on tv and most anime vhs/dvds where v. lim­ited releases, if released at all. I remem­ber if took me 5 months try­ing to find Evan­gelion on vhs, before giv­ing up and export­ing a dvd box­set from Amer­ica. And that also required me buy­ing a new 60hz tv to watch it. Grrrrr.…

      • Posted July 25, 2010 at 1:47 am | Permalink

        Haha, yeah, even when access was lim­ited by the market/technology in the U.S., we had it pretty damn good. I can’t even con­ceive of the impact the Inter­net has had on fan­dom in areas where legal access to anime is limited/non-existent.

      • fathomlessblue
        Posted July 25, 2010 at 3:13 am | Permalink

        Yeah, I sup­pose it could have been far, far worse. I had two friends back then from Greece and the Phil­ip­pines; just listen­ing to how they got hold of anime (i.e. they pretty much didn’t!) made me want to cry like I was watch­ing Grave of the Fire­flies, lol

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

      I think it was on one of the ANNCast’s where someone said the big dif­fer­ence between now and back in ye olde days is being incap­able of get­ting your hand on so much anime, those you did see meant more to you. Now we can watch everything that’s air­ing, everything that has aired. On top of that there’s such a huge amount of anime being released nowadays com­pared to the past. I think what’s hap­pen­ing is anime is regress­ing to release fewer and fewer anime each sea­son com­pared to 06/07 but we’ll have to wait a few more years to see if that becomes a trend

      • Vinnie
        Posted July 25, 2010 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

        You know, some­thing else I recently noticed… Ranma 1/2 and Maison Ikkoku were ridicu­lously pop­u­lar in the US in the 1990s anime fan­dom. Nowadays, nobody talks about it.

        I’ve even seen people say that Rumiko Takahashi’s char­ac­ters all look the same and that her plots are very sim­ilar and blah blah blah.

        I even remem­ber when every­one loved Kaori Yuki, the manga artist behind Angel Sanc­tu­ary and God­Child. You bad­mouthed her in a chat/forum, people would get really mad at you and think you were stu­pid. While her manga are pretty good, I’d have to say the art­work saves what are usu­ally very dull and con­fus­ing plots. Now, I’ve seen people like me who don’t like her anymore.

        I think the day any manga artist stops pro­du­cing work (or goes on hiatus/makes really slow releases), the anime/manga based off it tends to gradu­ally lose its pop­ular­ity. ._. Yami No Matsuei’s manga was all but for­got­ten about in Japan­ese fan­dom because it was on hiatus for 11 years.

        The newer anime fans want some­thing that looks shiny and new, they want the doe-eyed, soft-curved, pas­telly char­ac­ters. I’ve tried show­ing my friends Galaxy Express 999, and they all say it’s awful. Give them any anime pro­duced after 2000… it’s a dif­fer­ent story.

      • Scamp
        Posted July 25, 2010 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

        I was lit­er­ally just think­ing of Ramna. That show seemed to be huge back in the day.

        I won­der if there’s some magical for­mula to keep some­thing in anime fan­doms memory. The obvi­ous one would be to keep mak­ing it, like Evan­gelion or Naruto. Heck, or even Mobile Suit Gun­dam. How many other shows from that era get watched by people nowadays? Prob­ably many far bet­ter shows as well

  10. Posted July 24, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    I’m from a much older gen­er­a­tion of fans. I cut my teeth on Kimba the White Lion. This was not only prior to the Inter­net, it was prior to cable TV. In fact out TV was B&W, and only received VHF, so there were only 5 sta­tions (two were PBS). Need­less to say, this was well before DVDs and when I first handled video­tape it was all reel-to-reel.

    My point would be that there is a mater­ial dif­fer­ence in the con­di­tions of fan­dom. There simply was no way to col­lect anime when I first star­ted watch­ing it. There were no choices about what to watch. If you didn’t catch the broad­cast, you missed that episode.

    Nowadays you are accused of being a bad fan if you don’t col­lect. You are forced to make a choice, not only between the wealth of new shows being cre­ated every sea­son, but also just about every other show that has ever been cre­ated. Now you can “mara­thon” shows, watch­ing an entire sea­son in a day or two. Not only are you guar­an­teed to see every epis­ode, but you can rewind and rewatch any por­tion you want / need to to your satisfaction.

    I’m sure these changes in mater­ial con­di­tions cre­ate dif­fer­ent kinds of fans.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

      I’m amazed at how old some of you com­menters are (sorry for that~). The grumpy old­f­ags tend to drown you reas­on­able people out. And yet again, you’re mak­ing me feel unworthy to try dis­cuss anime in any sort of know­ing manner.

      [shrug] well if you’ve all been read­ing me this far then I guess I’m doing some­thing right that older fans appreciate

  11. Posted July 24, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    weird. i’ve been watch­ing anime for like, a bazil­lion years now but i still con­sider myself an anime n00b since i’ve seen so much fewer series than every­one else has, des­pite the over­flow­ing abund­ance of anime avail­able online. i guess im just incred­ibly picky ;/

    sailor moon was the shit back in the day though. fact.

    maybe im old since i dont have a MAL account D: (actu­ally, i think i have one…but meh. too lazy)

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think you have to watch that much anime to get a sense of anime fan­dom at all. My per­sonal exper­i­ence is that after watch­ing 15–20 series I already had a fair grasp on anime in general.

      MAL is incred­ibly use­ful but a bitch to set up the first time around. You spend your time star­ing at a never-ending list of anime series think­ing ‘did I watch Mar­tian Suc­ce­sor Nadesico? I think I did but…’

      • Posted July 27, 2010 at 6:02 am | Permalink

        i won­der if i’ve even watched 15–20 series total…lol. *tries to count and remem­ber* i do remem­ber that my first sig­ni­fic­ant exper­i­ence with anime was watch­ing robotech when too­nami first aired. i mean, sailor moon was awe­some and everything, but robotech opened up a whole new interest in sci-fi in the 9-year-old me.

        i think i gave up try­ing MAL since it took too long to try to remem­ber all the series i might have watched (even though there weren’t that many). years between watch­ing series doesn’t help memory at all.

  12. Posted July 24, 2010 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    My first expos­ure to anime was when I was 16 and Poke­mon was at its peak; but my gate­way series were DBZ, Sailor Moon, Gun­dam Wing, Esca­flowne and Ten­chi Muyo. The inter­net was in still quite new phe­nomenon and we only had dial-up at home so I had no clue what fan­subs or tor­rents were!

    I bought the DVDs for my gate­way series with wages from part-time jobs and they saw me through Uni. It was only when I gradu­ated and dis­covered the inter­net prop­erly (You­tube to start with, mov­ing on to tor­rents & DDLs later) that I star­ted tear­ing though series like there was no tomor­row. And now here I am 11 years and over 600 series after my first expos­ure and show­ing no signs of eas­ing up!

    I never really felt the gen­er­a­tional thing you’re talk­ing about though, prob­ably because I didn’t really engage in the forum/blog side of the anime fan­dom until about 2–3 years ago.

    • tsubaka
      Posted July 26, 2010 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

      Your exper­i­ence is sim­ilar to my intro­duc­tion into anime. Sailor Moon on UPN at 6:30 in the morn­ing before school, that’s what I remem­ber. And when the Sci-Fi chan­nel first appeared I believed they showed one anime movie every sat­urday morn­ing in the likes of “a-ko” or “Demon City Shinjiku.” I was so hooked, I ordered tapes from a video store that recor­ded them from Japan­ese TV broad­cast. No subs, bad qual­ity but the com­mer­cials were won­der­ful. I’m very happy the days of SASE for fan­sub tapes are over. I’m also still glad I’m an anime fan and wel­come the new shows. Now off to find out what I’m miss­ing since I don’t know what MAL is…

  13. Scamp
    Posted July 24, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    I know older fans often com­plain at how people keep mak­ing them feel old, but you lot are mak­ing feel like a real new­bie. I’m hon­oured that older fans actu­ally enjoy read­ing this blog of mine in all its noobish­ness. Just thought you should know that :)

  14. fathomlessblue
    Posted July 25, 2010 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    Excel­lent art­icle, it made me ask myself the ques­tion of exactly what gen­er­a­tion I belong to, with the answer being that I have abso­lutely no idea!

    Sim­ilar to Joe i’ve also watched anime rather hapaz­ardly. The greatest car­toon of my hazy early child­hood was the Japanese/French pro­duced “The Mys­ter­i­ous Cit­ies of Gold” which I didn’t even real­ize was con­sidered anime until much, much later. I was an anime fan before know­ing I was one so I could never con­sider myself part of the 80’s generation.

    The mid 90’s (high­school) intro­duced me prop­erly to anime (then called manga) but with more west­ern style kids shows like the Guyver. Friends lent me the big movies avail­able such as Akira and both Pat­labor films but most of the con­cepts went over my head and I never really under­stood any­thing about the cul­ture they came. My interest waned, only to be rekindled in 2003 (second year uni) when, through friends, I joined an anime club in Liverpool.

    That period is prob­ably as close in my youth to what could be called “my gen­er­a­tion”. For the first time I watched subbed anime and stuff other than movies or kids shounin; series like Eva, Fma1, Get Back­ers, Galaxy Angel 2, Azu­manga Diaoh, Last Exile, Wolf’s Rain and Hare + Guu. How­ever, even though I became fully aware of anime, it’s ter­min­o­logy and what are now con­sidered mod­ern clas­sics, it was mostly a social thing for meet­ing people and was never really part of my life bey­ond those one-evening-per-week screenings.

    That leads me to the present where it’s only the last year or so that i’ve star­ted watch­ing series as they’ve aired (thanks mod­ern fan­sub­bers) or dis­cussed stuff in for­ums, blogs etc, and while anime still isn’t the main interest in my life, I have a greater affin­ity with it than ever before. Does that mean that this is my generation?

    Ulti­mately I guess it doesn’t mat­ter that much (so sorry for sun­ject­ing you to my bor­ing per­sonal his­tory). I think as long as theres good shows i’ll con­tinue to watch regard­less of what con­sidered pop­u­lar or how quick the new/old fan turnover is these days. After­all new bloods as wel­come as old. We just need people around mak­ing fans aware of the clas­sics that are are still worth watch­ing des­pite mod­ern shows and ungraded anim­a­tion. The fact that psgels won the tour­ney, to me, high­lights the demand for both old and new anime, as well as fans.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

      Huge props for men­tion­ing Hare Guu in there!

      …but I don’t have any­thing else intel­li­gent to reply with though. Sorry, my brain has sorta died reply­ing to people :(

  15. Posted July 25, 2010 at 4:48 am | Permalink

    We were per­form­ing Whose Line at Acen this year, and even­tu­ally got to an Evan­gelion scene. Usu­ally when we read off the scene, we get at least some reac­tion. We got noth­ing. So my cousin asks, “How many of you are famil­iar with Evangelion?”

    10 hands went up. Out of about 1000 people.

    The times have changed alright.

    • luffyluffy
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 7:11 am | Permalink

      Thats so.… </3

      Then again, I watched Evan­gelion for the first time this year too, so it’s too be expec­ted I guess..

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

      Even Evan­gelion is fall­ing? Ser­i­ously? You would think with the movies being released that interest would be up. Or maybe it’s become like Gun­dam and people are afraid of delving into the fran­chise (although the start­ing point seems really obvi­ous to me)

  16. Posted July 25, 2010 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    I don’t con­sider myself a new­bie (espe­cially since I’m reach­ing that stage where I’m lament­ing newer anime…), but I do think of myself as more of a cas­ual fan. For me anime star­ted back when the U.S. still showed decent Sat­urday morn­ing car­toons (Digi­mon, Med­abots, etc.) and con­tin­ued with Adult Swim. So star­ing point is around 1999 (man…I guess I really am that old). I don’t think I branched out into subs until about 2006 though.

    I’m sur­prised to hear that you star­ted watch­ing anime fairly recently, usu­ally your posts seem to give off the impres­sion that you’ve been an anime fan for a fair bit longer.

    • Scamp
      Posted July 25, 2010 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

      Heh, I really try to just sound like a lay­man in my posts and never act like I know more than the reader. The only time I con­sciously do that is for sea­son pre­views. Sorry if I ever come off sound­ing like I know more than I do. It’s the blaggers gift, all Irish people are born with it

  17. Samshel
    Posted July 26, 2010 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    I would be of the love hina era, but back in 2001 or so the only chan­nel avail­able with anime wasn’t on my cable :( Before that I was too young but I still watched DBZ, Sailor Moon, Magic Knight Ray­erth, Saint Seiya… Well enough anime I think, but my real fan­dom came while in col­lege (like 5 years ago). Cuz you know col­lege band­with is awe­some :P

    Any­way I don’t think I’ll be say­ing things like “older anime is bet­ter” since I still enjoy the new stuff that comes out, I guess I have some more years before I star to become and old­fag when it comes to anime.

  18. Leah-san
    Posted July 26, 2010 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Hmm…
    I watched some epis­odes of Elfen Lied when i was younger… twelve or some­thing, on MTV (in Ger­many.) And I watched alot of Sailor Moon epis­odes. But the anime, that really got me into anime fan­dom was One Piece… and I watched it all on you­tube… so I guess I’m in the “You­tube Gen­er­a­tion” then?

  19. Edvardaz
    Posted July 27, 2010 at 4:07 am | Permalink

    I star­ted watch­ing anime 3 years ago when I was on 9th grade. My first con­tact with anime was with harem series such as Maburaho, Girls Bravo and stuff like that. Then I star­ted watch­ing bleach and some other shoun­ens and one year after I got a MAL account.
    Right now I have seen about 150 series accord­ing to MAL.
    I used to watch anime in You­tube and Mega­video until I found out about watch­animeon. My Top 5, with no spe­cific order is:

    1. Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal ( Tsuiok­uhen)
    2. Death Note
    3. Cow­boy Bebop
    4. Bake­monogatari
    5. The place prom­ised in our early days

    The fact of put­ting Rurouni Ken­shin ova in my top 5 would make me a You­tube gen­er­a­tion fan?. What gen­er­a­tion do I belong to , accord­ing to the info I wrote above? When did the present gen­er­a­tion appeared and when did the You­tube gen­er­a­tion appeared and fin­si­hed? What is the main com­pon­ent of this new gen­er­a­tion, what do their fans have in com­mon?. You­tube gen­er­a­tion had you­tube, what does this have?. What animes could we relate to this new generation?.

    It’s sure a lot of ques­tions that I make myself, though I can­not answer them.

  20. Fundefined
    Posted July 29, 2010 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    There’s the really old­fag gen­er­a­tion: the Space Battle­ship Yam­a­tos, The Rose of Ver­sailles, Galaxy Express 999. The EVA gen­er­a­tion that laid the found­a­tion of mod­ern anime fan­dom in the US with cons and web­com­ics. The too­nami gen­er­a­tion then got anime inter­net pop­u­lar. Sub­bers and scan­lator drama every­where. And the stream­ing gen­er­a­tion that is cur­rent. I’m part of the too­nami gen­er­a­tion and remem­ber­ing down­load­ing series encoded of rmvb because avi was too big. Now, 250+mb mkvs are the norm. I’d say the stream­ing gen­er­a­tion is less inclined to pir­acy, anime is near main­stream with some obscure series hos­ted on hulu and sim­ul­casts on Crunchy and other dis­trib­utor sites. Does the cur­rent gen­er­a­tion have worse taste? I don’t think so, they just accept whatever they can get without too much effort. Some great series like Eve no Jikan are being streamed but of course the stream­ers miss out on some of the older stuff.

  21. Scamp
    Posted July 29, 2010 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    To any­one try­ing to work out what gen­er­a­tion they are part of, I’d link you to this post

    http://animeyume.com/blog/2010/07/26/listing-the-generations-of-u-s-anime-fandom-help-would-be-appreciated/

    I list of all the ‘gen­er­a­tions’ of anime fans. It can be dif­fi­cult to pigeon­hold your­self some­times but that should give you a good insight

  22. Posted August 2, 2010 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Oh wow, Scampie, we are offi­cially old­f­ags now, right? \o\

    OK, now let’s com­mence newfag-hating *pre­pares beard and grim look*

    …Since that’s the best part of being an old­fag anyway.

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