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A Grade

Nothing

B Grade

B Persona 4

Episodes 5-8

I was under the impression that I would be watching something akin to Steins;Gate. A gradual mystery building under the surface of character interactions that eventually spirals into something crazy. Instead, Persona 4 has gone more in the direction of School Rumble of all things, having characters play off each other in a variety of new settings while constantly introducing more characters to the fray. What’s more surprising is how I am Totally OK With This because the characters are inherently fun to watch. Even the one episode where they did enter the Persona world was lacking in dark and grittiness, yet (or possibly because of this) it was the best episode of the series so far. Not all the jokes hit, it has to be said, but the more time I spend with these people, the more they grow on me.

B Children Who Chase Voices from Deep Below

I was prepared for another Makoto Shinkai borefest and instead got a Ghibli knock-off that did a bang up job of copying Ghibli too. Yes it got a bit silly at times, and took an awful long time to get going. But once it did, it was a fantastic adventure story with endearing flawed characters and themes woven expertly into the overall picture. So bravo Shinkai. If your next film follows a similar format instead of the usual two dullards with no personality narrating over pictures of clouds (not that there weren’t still an abundance of cloud shots in this movie, but whatever) then you may even go so far as to call me a fan of your work.

B Mawaru PenguinDrum

Episodes 16-20

I will miss PenguinDrum a lot. I’m still not entirely sure what to make of it, especially when it weaves metaphors in with apparently real events with nothing to distinguish the two, but over these past few episodes I’m finally beginning to see a purpose to the story. OK, there’s a lot of themes, from loneliness and abandonment, to the message of not letting other people define your lives or how you see other people, but you can’t fault a series for ambition when they’re still able to juggle these themes as well as PenguinDrum does. What I am a bit disappointed at is it’s seemed to have lost its fun side. Episode 16, the one with the granddad with a piece of paper over his face, was the last I’ve seen of the hilariously nutty PenguinDrum, with every episode from then heaping on the melodrama. It’s well done melodrama, which is rare enough as it is, but I do miss that fun side of PenguinDrum.

B Last Exile: Fam, the Silver Wing

Episodes 4-7

That’s more like it Last Exile. Episode 4 still had one of those blasted scenes where characters sit around eating food and talking about fuck all that seem to be all the rage in cutesy anime these days, but that has thankfully been the last of that. Even the maid-costume scene was both cute and yet depressing because it was a sign of desperation on the part of the princess in trying to restore her Turan government. The part I’m probably enjoying the most this season is how they’re taking the Gundam approach of characterising the villains, something even the original Last Exile didn’t really bother with. It’s actually a damn good example of how to approach war anime. Focus on a small group of characters on both sides of the conflict who have their own small personal problems that reflect the political situation in the world picture. I just wish Fam wasn’t such a dull character.

B Un-Go

Episodes 4-7

Un-Go is deep. Unfortunately, ‘deep’ is a word that has been tainted with the air of pretentiousness and snobbery, with phrases like LOLDEEP being tossed around whenever entertainment attempts to wax philosophically. But Un-Go manages to be deep without being pretentious. It’s such an incredibly clever series, working in so many pieces of social commentary and character depth while wrapping it all in perfectly with the token mystery of the episode. I just wish it could take the hint and stop trying to cram an entire mystery and messages into single episodes. It doesn’t work, and it just makes me feel lost and stupid. Episodes 3 and 4 were a single mystery, and as a result, episode 4 was one of the best episodes of anime I’ve seen all year. Episode 7 did a similar thing, and it was brilliant too, albeit utterly baffling. I really hope it keeps to this format, because that’s when Un-Go has the space to shine like it deserves.

B- Future Diary

Episodes 5-8

I really do like Future Diary a lot, but I also have to be honest with myself here. Two episodes this week were just not very good, and I can’t in good faith give it anything higher than a B- with that record. Fair enough, I get what they’re going for. There’s an underlying sense of danger to these otherwise harmless high school romantic hijinks. But that doesn’t excuse them for being incredibly stupid. Episode 8 was the worst offender at this, what with accidental trip and de-robing entering the fray. The other 2 episodes this week were brilliant, from psychotic craziness to surprisingly heartfelt pieces of character backgrounds that humanised their actions all while playing to this continuous story of how Yuki is being forced to devote his life to Yuno to survive. I just hope the rest of the show is more of that.

B- Fate/Zero

Episodes 6-9

The Lancer, Kayneth and his waifu has caught my interest, only the second of the stories in Fate/Zero to do so. The rest of them, from Saber to Kirei to Caster to Kititsugu to Irisviel to Tokiomi to Gilgamesh, I just do not care. I want this show to be about Rider and Waver, and only Rider and Waver. I know I said this before, but that desire has only increased the more I watch this show. Their story is perfect, the father figure teaching the frightened, cowardly yet proud and determined child. Their story is better than any of the other dullards in this blasted show, and they do this while also being the comic relief. You might as well try finding comedy in the bible than from any of them. Even the Kayneth/Lancer/Waifu story I’m really only interested in because of how Kayneth was a large reason why Waver developed this inferiority complex, and it’s nice to see him be shown up for the giant prick that he is. I really mean it, if this show was really just Rider and Waver, it would be top 30 material. The rest of the characters in this show are just obstacle to sit through until I can get more of that duo.

C Grade

C+ Invasion Squid Girl

Episodes 5-8

Eh, it’s Squid Girl. It’s harmless fun that somehow still manages to make me laugh, even when the jokes are incredibly obvious and I feel like I should have seen them coming a mile away. In a sense though, that’s the mark of a good comic. When you don’ see the joke coming but it’s incredibly obvious afterwards, similar to how plot twists work. They’re obvious in retrospect, but still surprise you when they come around. That all said, Squid Girl has always lacked the spark to make it a truly memorable comedy. It occasionally hits that sweet spot, such as the first Mini Squid Girl segment last season, but for the most part it’s too safe and aims too low to get me excited.

C+ In the Forest of Firefly Lights

Short, simple, charming and completely forgettable. Perhaps I’m being overly harsh on the movie, but setting your bar low and achieving it doesn’t really excite me personally. Oh sure, it’s functional, watchable and tells its story perfectly fine. There are some issues with length and drawing out their interactions a bit longer than was necessary, but it’s hard to find any genuine faults with it. But entertainment does not start from a perfect 10 and then take points off for every flaw. Not that I didn’t enjoy it, but yeah, I’m just repeating myself. See? It’s so light on content that I can’t even fill a proper paragraph here without repeating myself.

C- Hunter X Hunter

Episodes 6-9

We’re starting to see the so-called darker side of Hunter X Hunter that all you “it gets better, I swear!” crowd have been loudly proclaiming since the off. And you know what? I’m not so sure I want to see that. It’s feels almost silly, trying to insert these grimdark stories into a shounen series as goofy as Hunter X Hunter. Watching those two goons explode when they walked by Killua on the ship was nonsensical, the two sides don’t gel. Again, this show is never a chore to watch, and the face off between the main characters and the prisoners has actually been kinda fun, with its imaginative challenges. But now that I’m seeing this grimdark ‘better’ side, I’m not so sure I really want to be in this for the long haul.

C- Guilty Crown

Episodes 4-7

While I’ve dropped Guilty Crown from episodic blogging, I’ll probably keep watching for at least a few more episodes (if only to keep up with the cool kids). I dropped because it was stupid and stupid in ways I was struggling to find anything new to say about. Besides, episode 7 was genuinely entertaining. A lot of the same problems with Guilty Crown were present, but you have to respect any anime with Dan Eagleman in it. It’s still a fairly awful show though. I bet Guilty Crown will become one of Those Anime that I keep referencing points to as things anime do badly and other anime shouldn’t follow suit. I’ll call it Don’t Do A Guilty Crown or something like that.

D Grade

D Chihayafuru

Episode 5

It’s almost as though Chihayafuru saw me struggle through the first 4 episodes and took pity on me. Hence, in episode 5, it strode in and held up a big sign say “turn back now Scamp. You know you don’t like this sort of stuff. Why are you even bothering? Oh sod it, roll with the awful shojo nonsense”. And so we got awful melodrama with characters being apparently incapable of experiencing more than one emotion at a time, yet they feel like expressing that emotion with incredibly simplified yet dull and drawn out nonsense. I may have been fooled by Chihaya’s exuberance in the opening episodes, but I’ve got to stop kidding myself. The gormless ignorance of her surroundings and eternal niceness mean that this is just another Tohru Honda. So I gave in. Cool for you guys who like this kind of stuff. Elsewhere Chihayafuru has been getting great reviews. I just can’t do shojo.

D Macross Frontier: Wings of Goodbye

I think I’m a month late with this. Anyway, I saw the first movie when it came out, but I had such a non-reaction to it I ended up fast-forwarding through the final half hour. I wasn’t planning on picking up the second movie, but the Bakacast people were watching it (did I mention I’m on the Bakacast this season?) so I had to watch it or else be left out of the conversation. I really don’t understand why I and Macross Frontier don’t click. I liked the prison break scene for the sheer absurdness of it, but everything else was a sea of pop music and technobabble which swept me along like an uninterested piece of driftwood, occasionally being awakened by a particularly nice bit of mecha conflict. Maybe it’s because I don’t like the pop music. Maybe it’s because it’s all too naff for me. Maybe I just need to be in a very specific mood for this series to get to me. It did take me two attempts to get into the TV series, so catch me on the right day and I might have enjoyed this film. As it is though, I blanked again.

E Grade

Nothing

F Grade

F- Ore no Moustache

Cheers to all those who donated for my Movember challenge. I said I would post a picture of my moustache if I reached $20, which I was honestly worried about ever reaching. The total donation amount ended up being $130, so thanks to you guys for totally shocking me (even if $10 of that was my mum, but still). So instead of posting a picture of me looking self-conscious about my facial hair, you get one of me looking like a self-absorbed prat.

={D

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61 Comments

  1. mcm38
    Posted December 1, 2011 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    It’s the Mature Moustache! You look nice with it, I can say safely, because I saw some absurd looking moustaches in my class this 2 last weeks.
    And I see what you did there with Raider.

    Ung-go should have been higher this time. For one it’s a series that’s actualy doing it’s best to make something new, while still using remains of the cliche.

    • Scamp
      Posted December 1, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

      But still two of Un-Go’s episodes weren’t as good. I appreciate what it’s trying to do, but it doesn’t get it right a lot of the time

  2. Posted December 1, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Sorry to dissapoint you, but Shinkai fans everywhere have been very mad about how the style of the movie is not the “original Shinkai”, and that’s why he promised that the next one weill be closer in style to his older works. It’s a shame, I really liked the style of this one.

    • Scamp
      Posted December 1, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

      -_-

      This is why we can’t have nice things

  3. Posted December 1, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    So what is the passing grade? I thought C was a pretty good score, then you put Guilty Crown in it.

    Nice stache anyway

    • Scamp
      Posted December 1, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

      C- is about as bad as you can be while still being watchable. It would have been lower if it wasn’t for episode 7

  4. shareme
    Posted December 1, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    It’s feels almost silly, trying to insert these grimdark stories into a shounen series as goofy as Hunter X Hunter.

    Yeah, you’re right. Hunter x Hunter is a really goofy manga especially when characters start cutting out hearts and heads frequently.

    Watching those two goons explode when they walked by Killua on the ship was nonsensical, the two sides don’t gel.

    You’re right again. It’s really nonsensical when goons “explode” without reason when Killua have confirmed hours before that he IS an assassin and currently ticked off with the chairman.

    You want to see how this so-called goons “explode”? Ta-dah! Killua’s Way to ‘Calm Down’

    • Scamp
      Posted December 1, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

      Umm, I think you’re missing the point. Everything apart from those moments you’re highlighting are goofy and ridiculous. That’s precisely why they don’t gel. It jumps from cartoony fights with old geezers to those heads being chopped off

      • shareme
        Posted December 1, 2011 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

        I see. Thank you for clearing it up. English is not my first language so some times I need the speaker/writer to explain things further for me to comprehend clearly what he was trying to say/write.

        As for why they don’t gel, it is simply Togashi’s (mangaka) style. Readers are suppose to be surprised when his characters (who are drawn comically/cutely) start killing ruthlessly and start to wonder what the hell is HxH about.

        I read just recently in a forum that he picked up HxH manga because he thought it was a light-hearted, adventure manga (like Pokemon) judging from the manga cover and did a double-take when he saw how brutal and complex the characters really are.

        HxH starts really slow to lay out the groundwork of the HxH world, its rules and the protagonists’ (as well as the villains) quirks and personalities so there will be no question ask why this person does these things or why did this so-so happen in the series. Also, one should really pay attention to what the characters (or the narrator) say because some of them are foreshadowing of what will happen and some of them are vital info that will be tackled in the near future.

        Personally, the most part that I like in HxH is how three-dimensional the characters are. Even the villains and side characters who we won’t possibly see again get fleshed out as we go along with the series. Second is the elaborate and strict power system the mangaka adherently stick to that leaves no room for argument/speculations. That and the homoerotic subtext :P

  5. Posted December 1, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Worry not.

    Ethan Hawke cornered the market on “prat with a ‘stache” so there’s hope yet.

    :)

    • ryett
      Posted December 2, 2011 at 4:58 am | Permalink

      holy crap, Scamp DOES kinda look like Ethan Hawke. CANNOT UNSEEEE

  6. Goresome
    Posted December 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Moustaches are serious business.

  7. Posted December 1, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Are un-go and penultimate exile really good? Darn. I though they where shit and dropped them.

    • Scamp
      Posted December 1, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

      Yes, both of them are well worth your time

  8. Posted December 1, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    You look like you’re eyeing up a delicious 10-year-old, you pedophile.

    Seriously, though, you did a good thing, sir. Good on you!

    I actually sort of agree with you about Hunter x Hunter. The darker tones didn’t feel too out of place in the original series, mostly because it had a weirdly somber tone from the start. Not that it was depressing or trying to be too serious, but it wasn’t nearly as lighthearted. But eh, I guess we’ll see how the show handles it as it comes.

    • Scamp
      Posted December 1, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

      Pedophile eh? Perfect for an anime blogger then

      • Someone Else
        Posted December 2, 2011 at 1:38 am | Permalink

        Scamp…A LOLICON!? My god

        I HAS A NEW ALLY

      • Scamp
        Posted December 2, 2011 at 8:50 am | Permalink

        No. I just look like one

  9. Posted December 1, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, the new HxH looks goofy. But in it’s defense, the manga artist started out with that artstyle and tone (minus the censorship). If Madhouse has any idea what they’re doing, show is going to go through a massive toneshift somewhere near the end of the exam and stick with that tone. I urge you to stick with it, not just because it gets ‘dark’ (to me, it’s always been dark and the main characters are in no way ‘traditional’ heroes) but because the source material does feature excellent writing, creative battles and unusual storytelling (especially how the arc flows, they’re all connected but not in the most obvious ways). Of course, the anime could suck but hey, give it some time.

    I do agree that the show’s schizophrenic right now, but the two sides are slowly merging. (Or maybe I’m just being overly optimistic)

  10. Posted December 1, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    I’ve dropped both mirai nikki and persona 4 after 2 episodes O_o I couldn’t stand main characters… Are they getting any better?

    About Chihayafuru.
    IMO, Chihaya perfectly fits the place left after Hanasaku Iroha. It’s not so good, though… Still, chihayafuru and mawaru penguindrum are the only 2 series I really look forward to every week.

    • Scamp
      Posted December 1, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

      The main characters stayed the same in both shows, but in both cases I think they use these guys personalities brilliantly. But eh, ‘pinions

  11. Posted December 1, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    It’s unfortunate that I’m only watching 2this of the shows here, and Scamp rates them much higher than I do. However, my taste “sux.”said At least there was money raised for charity from the stache

  12. Fulluphigh
    Posted December 1, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    I was so glad to see how good episode 7 of Last Exile was. It still had one or two cringe inducing moments, but the rest of the episode makes up for it, and even a good deal of the miscreant behavior of previous episodes.

  13. lostsage
    Posted December 1, 2011 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Speaking as someone who is also accused of being a pedophile when I neglect shaving for a couple weeks, you hide your disappointment from the attempted mustache twist well. We both know how tragic trying to grab those wispy strands was.

    Anyway, congrats on the the donations. Quite impressive, mustache-ive even.

  14. fathomlessblue
    Posted December 1, 2011 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Holy crap, am I the only one who thought Tatiana looks even hotter with a moustache?

    Also, if you liked the prison-break scene from Wings of Goodbye, perhaps Macross 7 is the show for you. The tone was very similar, even if the movie didn’t quite veer into M7’s teletubbies level of repetition. You’ll be in for a treat! *cough*

    • Scamp
      Posted December 1, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

      That is a strange fetish you have there, but I’m into robot chicks so hey, I can’t judge

      • Posted December 1, 2011 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

        You too, Scamp?

        I salute you, fellow technofetishist.

    • fathomlessblue
      Posted December 2, 2011 at 1:11 am | Permalink

      Stick a ming-the-merciless ‘tache on Drossel and I’m sold.

  15. Posted December 1, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    I pretty much agree with everything on this list.

    I’m overly enjoying HxH for some reason, and I lo0o0ve Chihayafuru, but I like shoujo.

    But Un-Go, I just can’t get into it. The fact that all of the mysteries are so rushed seems to be keeping me from enjoying the other “deep” factors of the show.

  16. Posted December 1, 2011 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Better a paedophile-look than a terrorist-on-the-run look like someone else related to you.
    Is it gone? Tell me it’s gone
    Good on yer for the collection

    • Posted December 2, 2011 at 9:55 am | Permalink

      Ma’am, just wanted to say you’ve done a fine job raising this one. It’s not everyday you come across someone charismatic enough to convince a bunch of girls to send him money to look like THAT for charity.

  17. Someone Else
    Posted December 2, 2011 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    A MOUSTACHE you say!?

    Yup Persona 4 needs to rank that high because it’s just so cool! But seriously Un-Go ranked that much? I mean I literally was offended by the first episode in which the character can get answer BYUSINGMAGICINSTEADOFBRAINS. This was used plenty of other detective animes like Neuro and Labyrinth that’s why I never watched the second episode. The Main lead’s face looks terrible as well >.>

    For Penguindrum, I’m glad I’m not the only one who understand what the show is trying to say and not just focus on the penguins, but yeah it’s really hard to distinguish what the metaphors is. But some are pretty obvious such as kids turning invisible (ugh its gross if what’s happening in child broiler is real)

    Fam is definitely a dull character, but I think if they put a really really sad past to why she acts like the always positive character, which kind of suit the war theme, I think I’ll like her. Gisey rocks!

    Chihaya’s definitely getting annoying rather than lovable though, if only they show more weirdness from her. Love triangle would suck on this show as well ._.

    Anyways not to boast, actually pretty annoyed, that I have fast growing facial hairs. I have to shave my side burns and moustache every 3 days! But yeah the grass is always greener on the other side. Also will you do a review on Tekken movie? It has an anime feel to it, and it gets better I swear!

    • Someone Else
      Posted December 2, 2011 at 2:00 am | Permalink

      crap linking failed

      • Suzushina Yuriko
        Posted December 2, 2011 at 3:39 am | Permalink

        Shinjuro has a means of guaranteeing one absolute truth, yes, but he has to figure out what vital question to ask in the first place. All of the mysteries so far couldn’t have been solved if Shinjuro relied on only Inga. I’m not sure why you think he doesn’t have any brains when he’s been showing off his intelligence as a talented detective in every episode thus far.

        And I take offense to the comment about his face looking terrible. I like his character design very much.

      • Scamp
        Posted December 2, 2011 at 8:52 am | Permalink

        What she said. It would be like calling Lelouch stupid because he relies on the Geass. It’s a tool he uses to help him, but he still has to use it intelligently

  18. Erif
    Posted December 2, 2011 at 3:35 am | Permalink

    Hm, interesting post.

    What baffles me the most is that you rate Guilty Crown higher than Chihayafuru, even if you aren’t into shojo. How can that be possible? Guilty Crown is eye-candy without any substance, while Chihayafuru is paced reasonable well, has a great cast of characters, is fairly well-written (although a bit melodramatic at times), and has stunning artwork. I’m enjoying Chihaya so much this season, it definitely ranks up there as one my favorites. It just kind a peeves me that you’d rate something as worthless as Guilty Crown higher.

    I’m also in a bit of disagreement with you about Fate/Zero, but I think you at least scored it fairly. Unlike you, I find all the characters (not just Waver/Rider) to be complex and fun to watch, and it’s probably my other favorite of the season. Not totally sure sure why you dislike it so.

    I really need to watch Un-Go, apparently. I was going to when it started airing, but for some reason I lost interest and haven’t really thought about it since. But I’ve heard great things as of late, so I should probably get on that.

    • Scamp
      Posted December 2, 2011 at 8:53 am | Permalink

      Looking back, I probably should have rated Guilty Crown lower. A lot lower -_-

  19. DarkEnergy
    Posted December 2, 2011 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    Nice moustache. You’ve got a Van Dyke just like me.

    What are you going to do with the money raised?

    Maybe you can do more of these like grow out your fingernails for a month, hahaha.

  20. Posted December 2, 2011 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Good on you for growing the ‘tache. :’D Maybe next Movember you can get it up to this length. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44091000/jpg/_44091076_5beard_getty_5.jpg :p

    I’ve only been watching Last Exile and Future Diary this month, heh. Only shows I really care enough about to follow. =(

  21. ペーパー先生
    Posted December 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad you ranked Un-go how you did. I haven’t actually watched the latest episode, on account of the last one making no fucking sense, but this review has given me the will to continue watching.

  22. Posted December 2, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Seeing your seductive glare staring at my through my screen. I don’t think my body is ready.

  23. rauc6788
    Posted December 3, 2011 at 12:50 am | Permalink
    • Scamp
      Posted December 4, 2011 at 1:33 am | Permalink

      Haha, I’m going to have to try that now. Although it looks really bland…

      • rauc6788
        Posted December 4, 2011 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

        Yeah, it is quite simple, but the name made me do it. Its actually a play off a traditional Italian staple called spaghetti aglio e olio. Its nothing spectacular, but if done right it can still provide an interesting and clean flavor profile for such a simple dish (which I would guess comes from good olive oil, good Parmesan and just the right amount of browning on the garlic). Promise last food post, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

  24. Shiara
    Posted December 5, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    yo. I’m not a hardcore anime fan but here’s a tip: if they censor Killua’s fight this coming sunday, drop this shit and watch the old one. I really feel bad that I was one of those “it gets better I swear” crowd. I’m taking back what I said. The story gets better, yeah, but not this reboot.

    • shareme
      Posted December 5, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

      sure, you aren’t. you’re just an old hxh anime hardcore fan.

      The story gets better, yeah, but not this reboot.

      i fail to see the logic of this claim. a STORY that both versions adapted from one source gets better but only on the old series…. huh?

      • Shiara
        Posted December 5, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

        I’m sorry for not explaining my point. What I meant was the way Madhouse is handling the story. The story/source itself gets better, but the way Madhouse is presenting it to the viewers is just terrible. You see, everything in this version is colorful and modern and child-friendly, so child-friendly that they turned the violence into flowers. They omitted the sushi exam and messed up the egg-boiling part. Plus the annoying OST and cheap animation. Those factors make me think how they’ll handle the upcoming episodes/arcs.

        This version is goofy as Scamped said, it’s hard to imagine how it’ll eventually get to the darker, more serious parts, while the old version added a few details for us to take it seriously right on episode 1 (I could cite a few examples for comparison but this reply is too long already).

        It’s not that I’m a hardcore fan of the old version. I was positive about this reboot (hence regretting being a part of “it gets better I swear!” crowd), but so far the Madhouse people haven’t done anything that surpasses the standard that the old version set.

        These are just my opinions anyway. Feel free to disagree. If you enjoy this version then that’s good.

  25. Posted December 5, 2011 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    On Fam:

    I’m prob­ably enjoy­ing the most this sea­son is how they’re tak­ing the Gun­dam approach of char­ac­ter­ising the vil­lains, some­thing even the ori­ginal Last Exile didn’t really bother with. It’s actu­ally a damn good example of how to approach war anime. Focus on a small group of char­ac­ters on both sides of the con­flict who have their own small per­sonal prob­lems that reflect the polit­ical situ­ation in the world pic­ture. I just wish Fam wasn’t such a dull character.

    It’s nice that Gonzo’s trying to characterize the villains, but using moe and archetypes doesn’t do the trick. Putting a tiny girl in charge doesn’t really make the conflict morally ambiguous. It just points out that said little girl is naive, powerful and easily influenced.

    Dio was one hell of a character in the first season. Now, we get a shell of his character and in his stead is a chibi midget who doesn’t belong there.

    Bah!

  26. Posted December 6, 2011 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Remove moustache [1] and..

    LUPIN, IS THAT YOU?!!11

  27. shareme
    Posted December 6, 2011 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    This is very long. Please excuse this novella-esque comment to Shiara:

    Tell me, did you read the manga first or watch the old anime series first? If you watched the Nippon Animation version first, did you read the manga from the beginning or just continue on where the tv series/ova left off?

    Just telling you now that I’m a manga fan first and just watch their anime counterpart to see how they will animate the manga. Whenever I compare anime adaptations in regards to story handling, I always compare them to the original source (w/c, in this case, is the manga) and based on my observation, Madhouse version is far above Nippon’s version. Sadly, most newer/younger HxH fans saw the Nippon anime first than the manga and based off their comparisons between the two anime adaptations to the Nippon series’ version…. wrong move as both are adaptations of the HxH manga.

    the way Madhouse is presenting it to the viewers is just terrible. You see, everything in this version is colorful and modern and child-friendly

    So according to you, Madhouse version sucks because it’s colorful, modern and child-friendly. Okay. This is your opinion so I wouldn’t refute it.

    so child-friendly that they turned the violence into flowers.

    I suppose turning a guy’s arms into flower petals is more censored than say, sticking the guy on a wall… without showing how Hisoka did it… just a guy stuck to a wall ALIVE… yeah.

    They omitted the sushi exam

    Madhouse didn’t outright omitted the sushi exam but combined the sushi part concept with the pig catching contest into one. Personally, nothing much happened in this part of the exam except humour (in the form of how the candidates blunder their way in making a sushi) and introduction of the Gourmet Hunters and Netero. No character / plot development happened so I’m okay with them “cutting” this part.

    and messed up the egg-boiling part.

    It is exactly how it happened in the manga (w/ few changes *cough*upstream*cough*). Also, lots of candidates fall to their death on that part while in Nippon’s version, the fallen candidates fall into a running river that supposedly will bring them into the ocean… yeah.

    Plus the annoying OST and cheap animation.

    It’s been agreed by all HxH fans that Nippon’s soundtrack is much, much better than Madhouse’s. No contest there. As for cheap animation? Umm.. no. Compare the following: Gon and Killua’s ball play with Netero and Hisoka’s fight on episode 10. Madhouse version is more fluid than Nippon’s.

    This version is goofy as Scamped said, it’s hard to imagine how it’ll eventually get to the darker, more serious parts, while the old version added a few details for us to take it seriously right on episode 1

    Madhouse is really a kiddy version when you look past the character design and vibrant colors. Besides, it wasn’t outright shown or implied that blood gushing out and heads being cut-off in motion, right?

    On the other hand, Nippon’s version is clearly for adults when you look past the cheesy lines and the completely altered main characters’ traits (Gon is a good boy… NOT, Killua’s being an emo and doesn’t know what “friend” means… NOT, Leorio’s a butt monkey and just there as comedy relief… NOT and Kurapika’s secretly a girl and have something going on with Leorio… NOT) to make them “fit” the shounen stereotyped “good guys”… completely opposite of what HxH manga is famous for: morale ambiguity.

    It’s not that I’m a hardcore fan of the old version. I was positive about this reboot

    No, really. You’re a hardcore fan of the old version. You are only so “positive” about the HxH reboot ‘coz you’re hoping that the reboot is EXACTLY as you’ve seen on the old series.

    so far the Madhouse people haven’t done anything that surpasses the standard that the old version set.

    I love how biased you are. See these comparisons. It’s not mine, btw.

    ep. 1 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3795541#post3795541
    ep. 2 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3800018#post3800018
    ep. 3 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3811661#post3811661
    ep. 4 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3821716#post3821716
    ep. 5 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3833267#post3833267
    ep. 6 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3845690#post3845690
    ep. 7 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3860389#post3860389
    ep. 8 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3870897#post3870897
    ep. 9 – http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3876203#post3876203

    If you enjoy this version then that’s good.

    Thanks! I AM enjoying the Madhouse version because I’m seeing the true Gon, Killua, Leorio and Kurapika as they are depicted in the manga.

    • Shiara
      Posted December 7, 2011 at 9:21 am | Permalink

      the truth is, I’ve seen the old version first but that was 10 years ago. I’ve read (and reread) the manga and rewatched the series at the same time in the next few years that the anime was being reaired in local tv. You’re comparing the two versions to the source and so am I, except that I’m also comparing the two versions to each other, looking at their similarities to see if the new one did a better job because IMO it’s pointless if they just did the same thing on the same level of handling. Bah, that sounds messed up. Anyway, read on and I hope you could get my point.

      I sup­pose turn­ing a guy’s arms into flower petals is more cen­sored than say, stick­ing the guy on a wall… without show­ing how Hisoka did it… just a guy stuck to a wall ALIVE… yeah.

      It’s clear that both versions tried too hard to hide the violence. But I don’t see how the flowers thing is better than keeping the guy alive. I mean, really? Flowers? Is that the most creative alternative they could come up with? To me it’s just silly. They could’ve shown the arms cut even without blood (just like in the manga) and that would be gory enough.

      I’m a little okay with combining the pig and the sushi parts. But the reason why I was expecting them to animate it was because everything in this new version is… goofy. I thought they’d want to try to handle the humor well.

      I’m pretty sure that wasn’t how it went in the manga. I don’t remember them using the updrafts to get up. It’s good that they extended that part a bit but the updraft idea isn’t really remarkable. I’d rather have the examinees climbing/ninja-ing their way back.

      Maybe you’re satisfied with how they did the battle with Netero but I’m not. Sure it’s more fluid and more detailed in terms of animation and it doesn’t have the Anita filler stuff, but there are also a lot of use of panning and zooming shots, which to me is disappointing. Why can’t they just keep them moving? We’re in 2011 and they’re using digital equipments now so the quality of fights should be like, say, the fights in Brotherhood where the characters fighting are actually moving. Plus there were a few times when the characters are running, yet their hair were still (esp. Kurapika) and anyone can tell that those were just repeated frames. I’m not saying that I want them to pour all their hearts in animating every scene, but they should at least make their “shortcuts” less noticeable.

      Actually, the lack of blood and violence now is what I’m worried about. We’re getting close to Killua’s fight and since you’ve seen the manga and the old version, you know how gruesome it was. I’m hoping that they’d do what was exactly in the manga but I’m really having doubts about this.

      I’m quite convinced that the old version established its morale ambiguity. The trick tower (in both versions) was the first example that I could remember and I’m sure it was also demonstrated in the next few arcs. And I agree about the characterization in the old version. Gon’s kindness and Killua’s dark side were overdone. But in the new version they haven’t succeeded(at least to me) in making a lasting impression that Killua isn’t a normal jolly kid. That part where he killed the 2 guys in the blimp happened in a snap, without us seeing how. Then followed by the silly soundtrack of the next scene. That was a short, good chance of showing how dangerous Killua was, but instead Madhouse relied on his menacing face (that wasn’t too menacing IMO).

      No, I’m not hoping to see exactly what was done in the old anime. I was hoping for a BETTER reboot. Knowing the pace, the toned-down violence, the altered characterization, the low animation quality, the small fillers, and the little differences between the old version and the manga, I was expecting Madhouse to do a different but better approach. They succeeded on the “different” part, but not the better. To me the manga isn’t as goofy and as child-friendly as this. And the atmosphere of the manga isn’t as light as in this new version. Madhouse’s childish approach is making this version too clean for a shounen series which drives the new viewers away, or at least make them think that this anime is for kids and can’t be taken seriously (an example is Scamp’s comment about it). That’s a bad move, because these new viewers have no idea of what’s coming in the next arcs (esp. Chimera arc).

      I sound like an awful person due to my desire of seeing blood in the new version. I don’t think violence = better anime. But I think they’re making everything too happy and goofy that it’s slowly losing its shounen/mature aspects and a way to show it is through the dark parts that were actually in the manga. Or if there’s other way, I hope Madhouse would do it effectively.

      Yeah, maybe I’m a little biased. I can say that I’m also aware of the ugly parts of the old version but (maybe) the reason why I’m giving it praises was because they were able to come up with something like this even if it was done in cel animation. They modified a few details, stretched the TV show into 62 episodes and kept the paced well using low-tech stuffs. Now that Madhouse is using digital media I am expecting the new anime to be made in a different, more complex way. I’m hoping for them to stick really close to the manga, no matter how brutal it is. But what they’re doing so far is just making everything lighthearted.

      Are my expectations too high?

      I’ve read through the links (up to the episode 10 comparison). Still, there wasn’t really anything remarkable so far (for me at least). Maybe except the part where Kurapika went berserk in his battle with Majitani (but no earring so :( ).

      Ah, sorry for the long reply.

  28. Posted December 7, 2011 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    I am so happy that facial hair is gone.

  29. OriginalName
    Posted December 12, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Ha this is definitely not the darker side of HunterXHunter. Although from the beginning you can see the darker elements in the story. People die so easily & often in this show moreso than any other shounen series I have watched. It certainly got better for me once the exam was finished, because they show you the hunter world, and that is the main part of this show. It is slow in the beginning as with shounen’s with a bunch of episodes. You cant really expect much in the beginning.

  30. Posted December 15, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Damn Scamp, you’re hot.

    Not trying to be a creeper or anything, just honest.

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