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Guilty Crown episode 5

Let’s try to get through this Guilty Crown post without comparing the show unfavourably to Code Geass, or making a reference to how damn pretty it looks.

Welp, guess I better end the post here then.

OK really, honest episodic post this time. Guilty Crown has an awful habit of getting my hopes up with something clever, only to shoot itself in the foot straight after. The shtick they had with the wheelchair girl knocking down Shu was neat. If I may compare Guilty Crown to Geass for a second (it’s a favourable comparison rather than unfavourable, so I’m allowed to), Nunally’s wheelchair bound form was there simply as another element to make her appear as this unbelievably fragile being that needed protecting. This time though, the wheelchair user is a kickass action girl, mocking the idiot who looked down on her. That’s neat and a clever little reversal of stereotypes. It’s not glossed over that she’s in a wheelchair, but she still acts and is treated like she’s a regular member of the force.

So I guess, since she’s meant to be portrayed as a regular anime girl, then obviously she has to do some horribly cliche activities too, right? You know, I might have appreciated the show if, when she walked in on Shu, Shu was the one to squeel “ecchi!” and slap her across the face. But no, it was the girl who did the squeeling. How on earth did she manage to reach him with her hand to slap him anyway? Shu was standing in the middle of the room while she was still outside the door. She would have had to wheel herself into the room, slap Shu, then reverse out again. Also she called him a pervert because he recognised a woman had boobs. HAHAHA ISN’T THAT HILARIOUS!!! Please stop doing that anime…

A scene I liked was the one where Inori revealed she had no interest in Shu at all and was only acting subservient because Gai told her to. It had been bugging me constantly over the past 4 episodes why she would express even the slightest interest in Shu. It was a pretty awful case of excessive wish-fulfilment. Here’s a beautiful idol girl who, for no apparent reason, is attached to you and asks you to use her in whatever way you wish. It was getting to the point that I was starting to believe the theories that she was a robot or something, with no personality of her own. Turns out it was all just an act, and Shu’s fantasy girl that he gave up his life for was all a lie. Instead she’s sleeping with the handsome courageous man down the hall.

Except she’s not. Of course she’s not, because that would make her a slut and taint her pure body and the sales numbers of the next DVD would be cut down by half overnight. They have learned from the last debacle with Ano Hana that even pretending like the poster girl was impure, even if you refute that fact in the very next episode, gives otaku a full week to cancel their Blue Ray box sets orders. Instead she’s just helping Gai recover from some tragic illness. Probably as a result of the biological weapons, to add an extra layer of tragedy to the whole thing. Gai is fighting against the very people who could save his life. Which…actually sounds like a cool twist on his character, when I put it like that.

I suppose the question now is ‘why does Shu stay with these guys?’. He’s lost his reasoning of there being a cute subservient girl there. Is it because he agrees with their motives? Of course not, we’ve barely got any of Gai’s reasoning behind the fighting. Well, apart from the obvious point that the bad guys are full of murdering psychopaths and oh dear not this problem again. I guess it’s because Shu has found a place where he’s actually considered useful. Not through any choice of his own, I must point out. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Although I suppose in order to be in the right place at the right time, he did have to go after Inori in the first place. This story is really about Shu gaining more confidence and learning to stand up for himself, which I guess we’re achieving? It’s certainly a step in the right direction to remove the flimsy excuse of a girl who likes him for no apparent reason. You are a horrific wimp Shu, with no redeeming qualities, and the only way anybody is going to like you is if you grow a pair.

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64 Comments

  1. Posted November 12, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    About Ano Hana, was that a joke, or were you actually serious? o_o

    Also, nothing about the lasers of doom? IT’S LASERS

    • Posted November 12, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

      Having problems with teenage terrorists?

      NUKE ‘EM FROM SPACE

    • Scamp
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:16 am | Permalink

      Nope, that really happened

  2. Nebulous
    Posted November 12, 2011 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Meh, the whole Inori doesn’t really like Shu doesn’t quite fit in. Look at Inori’s internal monologue and her actions last episode and it feels as if an external person came in and realised how stupid the situation was and had them change it. Furthermore how did Shu know that the void he pulled from the guy would be useful, and if he didn’t know isn’t it a bit too contrived that the guy was the right person at the right time, moreover how the hell was he outrunning the Knightmare frame in the first place?

    Last episode was better as it was stupid enough for me to turn off my brain and enjoy the explosions. This episode feels as if someone came and tried to clean up a bit which again exposes the flaws you highlighted.

    • ペーパー先生
      Posted November 12, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

      As for the part about how he knew that guy’s void would be useful, I’m pretty sure that its because he was guessing that the spiky haired teenage terrorist/ bad ass would have something useful against a giant robot. At least more useful than a refrigerator!

    • Scamp
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:26 am | Permalink

      I would have loved it if he had drawn a fridge out of that guy instead of something useful.

      lol Knightmare Frames

      • ペーパー先生
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 5:31 am | Permalink

        Fear the Refrigerator of DEATH!!!!!

  3. romulus
    Posted November 12, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    I am unable to like this anime and I only find just enough enjoyment so I wouldn’t drop it right away. Nice visuals don’t really affect me, they make no difference if the animation is more than totally derp.

    The rest was the same shit again. Nice twist on Inori’s character, but taking last episode’s inner monologue into consideration she still could be a brainless moeblob.

    I still wait to see Gai’s true intentions. What he is up to could be a decisive factor in judging this anime. That near-religious respect he gets deserves some attention. Through Inori we get to know that every member of this organisation is centered around Gai, so they will do whatever he wants.

    Anybody else hating Kana Hanazawa here? She is a great VA but her roles… well, she became a warning signal for utter stupidity for me.

    • romulus
      Posted November 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

      lol /me quote fail

  4. A Person
    Posted November 12, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    So last episode Inori had an internal monologue about how “cold it felt” while flash-backing to memories of Shu. . . and this episode expects me to believe that she has no interest in him and did that on Gai’s orders. Right. . .I don’t think “have an emotionally tormented scene where you obviously miss him with NO ONE BUT A ROBOT around to see it” is part of any “Fool Shu” plan.

    Also why did it take so goddamn long for Shu to remember he had superpowers? He ran around like a headless chicken for a good minute or so chased by Ayase’s mech before finally remembering he could pull plot devices from people. Why not make a beeline for the first 17 or under looking spectator the second the match started?

    • Posted November 12, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

      Cuz the show clearly thinks we’re all kinds of stupid.

      • mcm38
        Posted November 12, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

        I wouldn’t actually mind them thinking about me being stupid, if at least that was when I was still newly born with almost no intelligence and knowledge.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

      That’s a good point. My mind had forcibly removed that scene with Inori going “why is it so cold without Shu” due to how retarded it was. That does rather ruin the effect of the scene from this episode

  5. Flawfinder
    Posted November 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    I personally hated the “perverted” scene at first, but I grew to like it when I imagined Ayase actually having to wheel herself over to Shu to slap him while screaming the entire way. Too bad the editing of that scene was terrible.

    And honestly, I think this anime has more in common with Eureka Seven than Code Geass.

    • Posted November 12, 2011 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

      Really? I’m currently rewatching Eureka Seven and there’s almost nothing in common, except maybe wimpy boy joins a resistance group. You could do a connection between Inori and Eureka, but…

      E7 deals with everything a lot better. Yes, Renton is wimpy, but is he annoying? I wouldn’t say so, and he actually grows throughout the show. Eureka is only cold, but not stupid, in the first couple of episodes and also starts to grow. Oh, and the resistance? Gekko rocks.

    • Guest
      Posted November 12, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

      I agree, but I would call it the anti-Eureka Seven. Gai is trying to set up Shu with Inori, whereas Holland tried to keep that from happening.

      Renton was more dumb than he was a wuss, Shu is far smarter but a huge wuss most of the time.

      Renton didn’t care about Gekkostate’s mission, and didn’t ask, it took Talho voluntarily telling him for him to find out. Shu keeps asking about the mission and isn’t told anything.

      Eureka was almost normal, just a bit strange. Inori is just an obvious weirdo. Eureka probably couldn’t fake being into Renton if Holland ordered it, because she wouldn’t know what to do. Inori is still a huge weirdo but she knows how to hook Shu.

      Shu knows he has a special ability. Renton didn’t really get that being able to fly the nirvash at all was very special.

      Holland was the leader but Talho was the voice of reason who held stuff together. Gai is the leader and seemingly has no voice of reason.

      So all in all it feels a lot like Eureka Seven but kinda a bizarro Eureka Seven, almost.

      • Posted November 12, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

        This. Best take of the show so far. It’s no Code Geass. It’s not even a good Eureka 7 clone.

      • mcm38
        Posted November 12, 2011 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

        Nicely done. Also add:

        Eureka 7 was about the son of a hero, who was a mechanic and was leading a poor and harsh life. He also had great dreams for the future, like surfing and doing some tricks in the air and meeting Holland.
        On the other hand, Guilty Crown is about a normal student who is leading a comfortable life and still fails with everything. He also has no plans for the future whatsoever. He didn’t know Gai until he met him and apparently doesn’t admire him in anyway yet. If he were to start feeling respect for Gai as the series progressed, it would be total opposite of Renton starting to hate Holland as he started to know him better.

        Also, Renton has a very original personality (at least imo). While here we have the Yuuji-every lead with an extra dose of wimp.

  6. Xardion
    Posted November 12, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    I’d think the point is that Inori was originally supposed to completely trick Shu as part of Gai’s manipulations, but at the same time, she has still started to like or at least feel for him…most likely because she’s not a very normal person either and has little or no social experience with anyone who isn’t Gai.

    Even if it’s not the complete devotion and subservience that she initially displayed, which does appear to have been mostly an act, I can imagine the idea is that Inori did enjoy Shu’s company a little even if the experience was based on a lie. In other words, she’s also a bit conflicted in her own way and the denial wasn’t telling Shu the whole truth.

    But then again, there’s also another connection between them that is not so much a matter of the present: a mysterious secret that links all three -or at least the two boys plus the other girl Inori seems to resemble (perhaps that’s her sister or is she some sort of genetically modified clone?)- back when they were children, according to what little can be concluded from the mysterious flashbacks. I guess that affects how Inori views Shu too.

    • A Person
      Posted November 12, 2011 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

      The thing with that is that even if she started to fall for him “a little” as you suggest it doesn’t explain her actions in episode 4. That whole mopey monolouge and then disobeying Gai’s orders to outrun several mechs and jump down several hundred feet with no visible safety net towards Shu is not something I can see Inori doing if she was starting to fall for Shu despite previously acting all submissive and devoted. Those are, as a comment in last week’s episode review pointed out a Eureka Seven moment a la Dominic & Anemone.
      That is crazy bullshit of that level requires a ton of devotion and love to begin with. One does not infiltrate a heavily defended prison facility in the middle of a firefight while disobeying orders and wearing a highly impractical outfit for someone one has just started to fall for.

      • ペーパー先生
        Posted November 12, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

        Or maybe Gai ordered Inori to disobey him! Probably not, but I wouldn’t put it above Gai.

      • Xardion
        Posted November 12, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

        You’re free to disagree, but I can still see several explanations.

        One, most of the stunt could have been just another part of the act…even if there was an additional motivation involved at the same time. I don’t think those are mutually exclusive.

        Gai may or may not have fully expected her to show up like she did, regardless of his reaction while in front of Shu, but Inori’s actions would technically make sense as part of the false role he instructed her to assume even if there was no specific order.

        Two, I would point to the other couple of factors I mentioned. We all know Inori isn’t a perfectly normal, healthy and reasonable person to begin with. Besides, there still is an unexplained past link between the girl in the flashback, Inori herself, Gai and Shu, which should have had an impact on her behavior.

      • mcm38
        Posted November 12, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

        You all mis the point. The script writers of Code Geass, who were convinced they could just attract their fanbase from Code Geass and the Death Note fans, have been lazing around and adding some random plottwists and fantasy and dreamyness. They failed.

      • Xardion
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 4:44 am | Permalink

        @mcm38:

        In addition to what I said below, it’s less that and more like Production I.G. hired the wrong staff (and gave the main writing role to the wrong person), if they really wanted to produce something like Code Geass. But I won’t go into the details any further here.

      • mcm38
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

        @xardion: I’m just ranting, because they’re wasting 25 mins of my life every episode I watch.
        I also didn’t know that.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

      While I agree that I think that’s what they were going for, I also agree with A Person in that they did a miserable job of it, mainly because of that scene from episode 4. A shady childhood friend connection doesn’t make a character run past several platoons of giant robots and mope to herself why her bland and innefectual love interest isn’t around

  7. Marcomax
    Posted November 12, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    I like the dynamic between Shu and Ayase a lot more then the one between him and Inori. Ayase is just a more lively character then Inori and I’d rather see Shu grow due to Ayase’s influence. This both also share sort of a one sided love affair. Shu’s affection for Inori and Ayase’s admiration of Gai

  8. ペーパー先生
    Posted November 12, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    I was disappointed by the whole “Gai is sick” scene. When he greeted Inori into his room, with no shirt on, I began to have hopes that Gai would prove to be more Lelouch-ey. Also to be noticed; the cross by Gai’s bed was the same as the one from episode 1. Does that mean that Gai and Shu have some prier connection? Furthermore, the whole, “Gai told Inori to be nice” made all the other episodes make a little more sense. Maybe at the end, they’ll give us all a piece of information that will make us all say “Oh! This series wasn’t stupid! Now I can see that everything was deliberately place to fall together in the end!” I can only hope!

    • Xardion
      Posted November 12, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

      As is the case with most anime, I will simply expect that only a few of the explanations will ever be satisfying. The others may still fill in some holes but they might not be too good anyway.

      • mcm38
        Posted November 12, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

        They’re the writers of Code Geass. They will try to pull of another Cart Driver. And will fail like they did with every Code Geass copy.

      • Xardion
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 4:36 am | Permalink

        @mcm38:

        Just so you know, let’s get some facts in here. The specific person who has written every single episode of Guilty Crown so far is named Hiroyuki Yoshino, who did not write more than 3 episodes of Code Geass even if you added up both seasons.

        Yoshino only worked on that show as an assistant writer, but Guilty Crown is where he is actually taking the lead writing role. Ichiro Okouchi, who did most of the writing in that other show (and was its co-creator, unlike Yoshino), hasn’t written any episodes of Guilty Crown himself. And I’d say it shows.

      • mcm38
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

        I’m just ranting, because they’re wasting 25 mins of my life every episode I watch.

      • mcm38
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

        Also, Ichiro has bad teaching skills. Yoshino shows us.

  9. DarkEnergy
    Posted November 12, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    I love how much discussion there is over this mediocre anime. I’ve given up on hoping that it will get better, but I’ll still watch it.

    • mcm38
      Posted November 12, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

      I only watched till ep3. I’m just ranting randomly to give everyone predujices about the anime and keep them away from it as a response to the fail of the anime. This is my first time doing something close to trolling. Hell it’s fun.

      • Scamp
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

        Umm, why have you written 10+ comments on a post about an episode you haven’t even watched? In fact, why are you writing 10+ comments at all? Replying to people is supposed to be my job…

      • mcm38
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

        Now it’s 10+. Why you ask? Scamp-san, you’re worrying to much about the small stuff. Just let me spam for this once.

    • kero92
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:37 am | Permalink

      I hear you. From the reactions of people on this episode I thought it was gonna be a really stupid episode, but after watching it, it was just more of the same…. shame I really wanted a reason to drop this for good

  10. Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:13 am | Permalink

    You never respond to comments. Don’t you love us anymore?

  11. Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:17 am | Permalink

    TITS TITS TITS YEAH

    • Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:18 am | Permalink

      That about summed up this episode for me. I don’t think anyone could summarize the episode better than this.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

      You guys are so immature

  12. Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    Uguu~

    • Posted November 13, 2011 at 11:42 am | Permalink

      Gao~

      • Scamp
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

        de geso~

  13. Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    You’re gonna respond to that, right?

  14. Fulluphigh
    Posted November 13, 2011 at 4:51 am | Permalink

    At least it looks like they’re setting up a reason (maybe not feasible or good) for what appeared to be Shu’s memories of Inori from childhood. At least, that’s what I took out of Gai’s lines when he was laying on the bed and not doing Inori at all. Seems like she’s some sort of clone of someone else, or at the least genetically grown or modified. He gave her a life? She was a test tube weapon? Meh.

    My first thought when she shot down Shu was “exceeelleeeeeent” but it was immediately retconned to “wait, wut?” for all the reason’s everyone else has mentioned.

    Though, in defense of Shu’s actions in the mock-battle, it seemed like they tried out what spikey-hair’s void was when he first asked Shu about it.

    At least it’s still prettttyyyyyyyyy

    • Scamp
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

      She’s a clone? Lolz, how on earth did you come up with that explanation? We’re going to remake your childhood friend, but we’re going to make her more bland than she originally was

      • Fulluphigh
        Posted November 14, 2011 at 4:27 am | Permalink

        Calling it bro. If not clone, then bionic woman sort of thing. Childhood friend almost dies, so they use her to make some sort of weapon to be utilized by this power Shu’s got.

        Damn, that does sound stupid. And yet, I’d bet on it.

  15. Posted November 13, 2011 at 4:54 am | Permalink

    So, why are we still watching this show?

    • ペーパー先生
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 5:35 am | Permalink

      Because its more interesting than staring at a wall all day! Or at least more colorful…

      • mcm38
        Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

        So we can rant about how bad a job they’re doing. For no purpose actualy cause it won’t matter.

  16. ペーパー先生
    Posted November 13, 2011 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    Am I the only one wondering why they even bothered giving Shu a paintball gun in the Mock Battle?

  17. Anonymous
    Posted November 13, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    If they really wanted to create a Code Geass clone they should never have used a wimp as a main character, so I’m kind of doubting that was their goal.

    What their goal was, then, I have no idea.

    • mcm38
      Posted November 13, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

      Waste 25 mins of my life every week.

  18. luffyluffy
    Posted November 13, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Okay so my computer died due to a blackout and I need to trim the anime fat.

    Give me the top ten shows you think I should probably stick with. Bare in mind that Gundam AGE is going to be on that list regardless because GRUDECH.

  19. Adreme
    Posted November 14, 2011 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Im noticing that it seems like every episode the writer is trying to fix something stupid about a previous episode without actually editting what was stupid in the first place.

    I can just imagine the script for episode 2 getting passed around and someone asking why the army is so commically evil and the writer saying he will just fix that later and hope we just assume that they happend to send out the crazy division and that every other army division is normal.

    They of course copied this approach for this episode and just had her say that there relationship was based all on Gai’s orders.

    Ignoring the fact that she disobeyed those orders to go save him or the the fact that as someone pointed out the monologue would’nt have been needed, there is another pretty gaping problem with what happend in that scene where she confessed everything to Shu and its that she confessed everything to Shu.

    Her confession involved her talking about how her feeling for Shu are fake and how she only cared for him in order to get him to join the organizaion are actually a very good idea that makes a lot of sense from Gai’s perspective. However, why would you even tell him this and make him inspired to actually quit and leave when you have him feeding out of the palm of your hand. What exactly was the plan with being honest with him? Was he suppose to just accept that she had been lieing to him from the start but stay loyal all the same?

    • Gunblaze
      Posted November 14, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

      Not that hard to accept actually, if you consider the likely fact that she has no interest in Shu from the start. Inori implies as much, that she only pretended to love Shu on Gai’s order, probably to lure him into joining the them.

      And I doubt Shu could leave, not now, no matter how much he’s treated like shit. He is officially an escaped convict with confirmed ties to terrorist organization whose jailbreak killed a lot of soldiers, He don’t really have the option to return and pretend that nothing happened. His normal life ain’t coming back. He is a wanted man, by now the whole nation knows about him. No doubt them soldiers are looking hard for him. Staying with them is the smart choice- well, realistically speaking the only choice he had.

      Since pretense is not needed anymore, Inori finally showed her true feelings; the one she loves is actually Gai and not Shu. That’s why she kept her distance and told him to stay away from her only after he’s joined. Heck, that’s one hell of a cold shoulder she gave him in ep.05, a total 180 from earlier episodes. I was shocked! This also makes me think that most likely, her monologue in ep.04 about how she feels cold is also because she does not like the idea of acting as his lover. She loves her master Gai, and wants to be with him instead of some other stranger she barely knows.

      • Adreme
        Posted November 14, 2011 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

        Shu is basically “the center of all our operations going forward”. When that is the description of someone you typically want them happy so that they are willilng to fight for you. There is absolutely no upside to telling him the truth whereas the worst case scenerio for them is he goes “I hate you guys. Im joining the other team.”
        Lets be honest if he went to the government and told them what he knows and said “Ill fight for you guys” do you really think they wouldnt accept that offer instantly.

        Also since Inori’s void seems to be a ‘sword of autowin’ it seems like you would want to keep those 2 as close as possible which brings me back to why would you stop lieing to him?

  20. Gunblaze
    Posted November 15, 2011 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    @ADREME

    Good point there, but that would be from Gai’s point of view, not Inori’s. For all we know she might have just acted on her own accord. That is not to say there aren’t any plot holes, like why is Inori acting like she was worried of Shu during the mock combat. I just hope they won’t use some kind of funny plot to get them back together again, like how-this-is-all-a-big-misunderstanding-and-Inori-really-loves-Shu explaination. That would totally kill the already bad story.

  21. Harry
    Posted November 16, 2011 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Does anyone else think that Inori looks like a less dynamic Yuno (from Future Diary)?

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