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Guilty Crown episode 4

Am I missing something with the Guilty Crown opening song? It has been one of the few aspects of the anime I’ve seen that gets near universal praise, yet I fail to see the appeal. There’s no consistent tune. It sounds like thousands of people smashing their heads off broken drum kits while a woman yells at them. I do like the BGM a lot, rather reminiscent of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, but I’m rather baffled by the popularity of Supercell. Their music sounds like standard jpop except less cutesy and less coherent. But then again, I barely listen to music, often going entire weeks without hearing a full song, so what do I know.

My episode 3 post was mainly praise, yet that somehow did not seem to make it into the minds of my readers. At least, not those of you who posted comments, because almost every single one seemed to be in agreement with some entirely negative rant I supposedly made. So let me make this clear: I quite like Guilty Crown. I like that it’s actually trying to say something with its story. It’s not doing a terribly good job of it, and the story elements it is trying to cover have been done before and done better by Code Geass, but that’s more than I can say for the likes of Phi Brain or even Gundam Age. But it’s not much of a plus point when these elements are handled so poorly.

Episode 4 set up a few little moral dilemmas for our main character. Do we agree with how Gai is trying to overcome the occupation by the outside forces? Gai is basically Lelouch here, a morally ambiguous rebel leader who sometimes has to commit atrocities to achieve his goals. For example, he plans to rescue a mass murderer from high security prison. This is all well and good, but what is the alternative to Gai’s methods? Side with the occupiers? This episode seemed to be trying to push this point across by having poor little sisters dying from the biological weaponry (actually it was a little brother, which was probably the most shocking part of this episode). The problem here is the spectre of stupidity from episode 2 hangs over that balance of views. It’s hard to side with these guys when they’re so comically evil. Even this episode didn’t help the issue when the interrogator shot a nameless goon in the head just so he could jizz his pants at the sight of Shu waving about his overly compensating piece of weaponry.

The comically evil side of the villains keeps coming back to haunt every decision in the series. The entire of Gai’s force consist of attractive young people while the villains are all mentally unbalanced nutjobs. It’s like they took all the rejects from Dues Ex Machina’s potential [Insert Ability Here] Diary owners and put them in this anime. It’s hard to take the interrogator’s claim that Gai is doing something wrong seriously when he probably eats live bunny rabbits for breakfast. Guilty Crown tries to pretend Shu isn’t convinced by Gai just yet by having Shu pocket the transmitter, but what’s the alternative? Suzaku in Code Geass offered a reasonable alternative, while all Shu is going to do is whine. The most irritating part is I could actually see the logic behind siding with the Anti-bodies side, if they weren’t too busy playing football with decapitated babies.

There is plenty of other stuff I could nitpick. They are nits, in that I’d be more willing to let them slide if they above issue of comically evil antagonists weren’t at the core of the problems with the show. But that problem does exist, so nitpick away!

How exactly did Shu know to leap in and grab a weapon from the convict? I suppose you could make a claim that, since Gai was going to all this effort to save him, he must have a pretty awesome weapon, but that’s flimsy theorising. Admittedly his weapon was fairly useless in the given circumstances. A gravity gun that makes things float? Perhaps useful against one mecha grunt, but they can still machine gun you down just fine. Also, speaking of rather convenient, how on earth did Gai get passed the guards with that flimsy disguise? You could make the argument that, in the world of Guilty Crown, it was a master disguise and we shouldn’t let our own amazing powers of recognition colour our view of their world, but that argument got shot down when Shu recognised it was Gai instantly. Like, come one guys. Gai had just broadcast his intentions. He’s the most wanted criminal in the country. Shu has seen the guy about twice in his life. How would a top security prison like this one not know what he looks like while Shu does?

Then there’s Inori. What on earth is going on here anyway? Why is she so…thick? Sitting in a room by herself, singing and being in intense emotional pain because some bloke she has known for all of 2 days was taken away by the police. Was she won over by his charming charisma? “Why do I feel so cold, would Shu know”? Lady, you’re probably cold because your clothes don’t cover most of your torso. Leaving aside the fact that she can apparently fly now, why did she fly up to that spot and then jump down 100 stories to be with Shu? How in god’s name would she know that Shu would have an anti gravity gun? While other parts of the series are at least attempting some depth, Inori is a bland ball of nothingness. I get the feeling that Shu’s decision to stick with Gai at the end had less to do with him wanting to keep by his side and judge for himself whether Gai is making the correct moral choices, and more that he was won over by Inori’s unwavering devotion to him. It rather ruins the depth that scene was meant to have.

Didn’t I say at the start of this post that I quite liked Guilty Crown, yet now I’ve spent the entire post complaining? So what was good about the episode? Well, it looked pretty…and…ummm….

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  1. Posted November 4, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    I thought Gai told him to get the murderer guy’s Void as soon as he saw him? idk. At this point I’m looking at this like it’s more of a Hollywood blockbuster, for good or ill. Still needs more male nudity, though.

    • mcm38
      Posted November 4, 2011 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

      No I want to meet a good guy on the bad side. That would be at least one of the things Code Geass did well.

      • ペーパー先生
        Posted November 5, 2011 at 1:41 am | Permalink

        I like the puzzle solving, robo-eyed maniac, because at least he seemed like he actually cared. I mean sure he killed a few people…
        but I still think he’s more of a good guy then well, Gai.

    • Mr. Anon
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

      Gai did say that, yes.

      • Scamp
        Posted November 5, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

        I guess I missed that. The gravity gun wasn’t a whole lot of use though, to be fair. It stopped about two mechs and he would have been killed if it wasn’t for Inori leaping in. Which, may I remind you, was exactly what Gai didn’t want her to do

      • Mr. Anon
        Posted November 6, 2011 at 2:36 am | Permalink

        Yeah, I can’t imagine what Gai’s master plan was supposed to be. Only Inori’s void had any chance of competing with that many mechs.

      • Xyopq
        Posted November 6, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

        I’m guessing that it was Gai’s plan all along for Inori to disobey his orders.
        Since he can see peoples voids, which are their emotions or something, he can probably use his ability to manipulate people.
        And that’s why Gai didn’t tell her that he was going to meet up with Shu which in turn made her think that he was still in his cell, making her infiltrate from the roof.
        Since he told Shu to grab the void from Kiji, he knew that Shu would be able to reach her using the gravity gun.

        I think Inori likes Shu so much because he’s been inside her (heart) so much, so they have some sort of connection.

        But how did Gai’s assault rifle turn into a rocket launcher? Is this another one of his powers?

      • seansky
        Posted November 9, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

        i have diff idea on what Gai planned tho: he didnt plan inori to show up, so he wants shu to get to the convict, get the gun, and fire it himself and the convict, and float/fly out?

        For the other 2 nitpick: the security mightve purposedly let gai slip in in as an elaborate plan to let shu get rescued and something something something….. like let shu be taken to the secret hideout and track him there or some shyt.

        as for the other….. must be a kinda-slow girl falling madly in love and does everything without thinking thru. That kind of setting is meant to be illogical, so trying to make logic of what she does while nitpick at it is just waste of time. Also i remember Shu was on upper levels and was running downwards? So inori went up, cant find Shu, heard a hell lot of noise down there, see Shu in danger, and jumps down.

  2. mcm38
    Posted November 4, 2011 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    It’s now become the perfect anime for Japenese shounens to feel like that would be a nice change of pace in their own life. All the fantasy and dreamy things that keep happening. Trying to make the watchers side with Shu is all they’ve been trying to do since the start. Hey this is a shounen look at how pitifull he is and he’s so innocent not even touching a half naked girl who’s such a dense bloke that wouldn’t even notice it if she were to get f*cked by him. Oh and also he’s the one who’s got the moral motives, because he isn’t Gai. Gai is not realy on the good side, Shu is the good one. Oh boy, give me a break. Bleaargh…. And also… Nvm I’l go throw up again.

    • romulus
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 12:25 am | Permalink

      Shu, in a moral sense, is empty. He represents no values whatsoever. That is why no one can side with him, only project themselves in him, imagining those fantasy and dreamy things happening to them.
      He is, unfortunately, on the same level as harem leads and the ‘heroes’ of rather forgettable action animes with the most incoherent ‘personalities’. *cough* fractale *cough*

      further impressions below

      • Posted November 5, 2011 at 1:05 am | Permalink

        Except self-projection always fails me horribly in these cases, because I would never do a single thing that these empty main leads do. If any one of these fantastic events ever occurred I would respond in a completely different manner than a generic anime person, as I actually have a personality. And goals. And a brain.

        Injured girl at my hangout spot? Help first, whinge about it never.

        “You just abandoned her?” – “Well, I could have let a dozen trained soldiers beat me into paste and drag me off too. Not like you needed this macguffin or anything.”

        Remarkable special power? Highest bidder.

        Join a terrorist organization? Well, the other guys are complete assholes and school life is as soulless as it is depressing. Do I get a cool shirt?

  3. Juriasu
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    I usually love supercell, although I agree with you in this case.

  4. Suzushina Yuriko
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    I love the opening song and I’ve been looping it for days now. I think it’s an incredible song, and they edited it badly for the TV version. Even if you don’t like their new singer’s vocals, the instrumentals are more than enough and are miles ahead of any generic J-pop song. In fact, I think all of Supercell’s songs are masterfully composed. Their faster songs like Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari and this song give a kind of emotional rush that I’ve only ever heard in few other bands like school food punishment.

    In fact, the main reason I got so hyped up for Guilty Crown was because of this song in the second trailer, which had the animation perfectly choreographed with it to give off the impression that this would be the most epic anime ever. Too bad I was kind of disappointed.

    Song rant aside, I thought this was a lot better than the previous episodes. There’s no blatant fanservice ruining the mood, for one, although that’s set to come back judging by the episode preview. I liked the moral dilemmas they gave Shu this episode. There are plot holes, but Inori’s probably part cyborg/an artificial human, or maybe that pretty outfit gives her the ability to fly or something.

    The best thing to do with this show is to turn your brain off and enjoy the pretty colors.

    • ペーパー先生
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 1:44 am | Permalink

      Thank you!!!!

    • Scamp
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

      Nope, actually it’s the instrumentals I’m talking about. Including that song you mentioned, all I hear is too many instruments playing at once to the point that there’s no discernable tune. Then again, I have a similar problem with a lot of rock music

  5. Guest
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    First: I agree with you mostly. I think there’s still something interesting buried under the many weird mistakes and cliches. No point pretending not to like the show I like it, but I could like it a lot more with some modest tweaks. I find the clumsiness with which the cliche parts of the material have been handled to be completely baffling.

    But, devil’s advocate: an alternate read on ep3 is that Gai basically kicked Inori out of the funeral parlor. He’s not really kicking her out — her robot keeps an eye on her, etc — but a bit of the “since you liked Shu enough to give him the void genome why don’t you go live with him and see how you like it, huh” treatment. Make that the angle and her “can I stay with you forever” line makes more sense.

    Or, tl;dr: nothing we’ve seen so far is really unsalvageable as long as the show eventually delivers the right post-facto explanations, but it’s bad writing and bad directing to put so much stuff in that needs post-facto explanations to even appear to make sense.

    Also: sadly, this “pen of betrayal” thing reveals how there will wind up being more school scenes: Shu’s going to see something that pisses him off, blow the whistle on Gai et al, and go back to his normal life for awhile. Then the school gets attacked, he’ll pull some voids from his classmates to save the day, and blah blah you can guess the rest. Sigh.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

      I find that theory hard to believe because that would require Gai to give in to his emotions rather than cold hard logic. The show hasn’t really set him up as someone who would do that

  6. Posted November 5, 2011 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    I think what irks me most about Inori and Shu’s relationship at this point is that… they have a relationship.

    A total of maybe two dozen words have been exchanged between them, neither knows the slightest thing about the other, and nothing has actually happened that would endear either one. In fact, having curled up in a disgusting ball of cowardice and shame gives Shu negative appeal. Why would anyone even want to be with him when he’s a spineless self-deprecating douchebag who cares more about people hurting his delicate feelings than mass genocide?

    Then there’s the part where suddenly life is cold and empty without Shu, and racing to his rescue in the face of everything else is the only recourse.

    This scene could have actually worked very well in the middle of the story after significant development between these two characters, but here and now it just falls completely flat. Remember Anemone and Dominic (obvious spoiler alert) at the end of Eureka Seven? Yeah. This is basically that scene, except conjured out of nowhere with no buildup or weight to it. We’re starting from the end of a character arc that didn’t even actually happen and makes no sense to begin with.

    You could argue that the above moment was one of the most powerful in Eureka Seven. In Guilty Crown it’s just awkward, dumb, and completely devoid of substance. Without the surrounding context and groundwork, no amount of looking dramatic and important and emotional can ever make it so.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

      Yeah, pretty much this. Inori is such a nothing character, at least Shu has his wimpyness as a character point.

  7. Xardion
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    I can agree with the complaints about Inori, but I’m quite convinced she’s not even a regular human being anyway, in-universe. Still doesn’t make her less bland or more interesting of a character at this point though.

    Gai’s faction does seem, almost by default, a better alternative to the occupation, but the leader hasn’t exactly gone out of his way to explain much of anything to Shu himself about their overall struggle, methods or goals.

    The incident in episodes one and two was way too circumstantial, the rhetoric was comparatively vague. Even Lelouch/Zero sounded far more convincing in his public speeches to the Black Knights or the Japanese, and that’s talking about guy who wasn’t revealing his face nor his personal interests either. Gai’s probably going to be even more selfish than that, I bet, considering his portrayal and role.

    Moving on…the interrogator is admittedly borderline insane, which does play into the whole black-and-white nature of the factions thus far, but he isn’t stupid. And that automatically makes him so much better than the previous duo of simple-minded fools we had to deal with earlier. In fact, I’d say he made the episode work for me.

    The thing is, his arguments are obviously not meant to convince the near-omniscient and ever-cynical audience, but just Shu. From that perspective, I thought they were perfect. They came across as ultimately misleading, given what we already know as viewers about GHQ’s evil actions, yet not lacking a grain of truth in certain key areas, especially but not only from Shu’s point of view.

    Even killing the sniper wasn’t just violence for the hell of it. Yes, that confirmed the guy is ruthless and not entirely mentally stable at heart…but also, which is perhaps more important, showed that the interrogator doesn’t want anyone to mess with how he is handling Shu. It’s his case and he’ll get to the bottom of it. Letting someone shoot the protagonist right then and there or trying to talk him down would be too problematic. It also goes along with what has been established about his obssessive personality in both this episode and the last one. It’s surely not subtle at all, but I don’t think it even needed to be.

    As for the lawyer’s disguise, it’s little more than a harmless gimmick…and, for that matter, simply yet another in a countless number of unrealistically effective Clark Kents, which we can see in all manner of fictional tales, both those better and worse than this one.

    • ペーパー先生
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 1:50 am | Permalink

      Insane-interrogator-man is still my favorite character, mainly on the fact that he gives GHQ some type of humanity, and seems to have his own agenda, not just, as was stated earlier; “play­ing foot­ball with decap­it­ated babies”

    • Scamp
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

      I doubt Inori is a robot. Shu shouldn’t be able to draw weapons from a robot, unless they start to get into real cyberpunk, Ghost in the Shell, “do robots have souls” territory

      • Xardion
        Posted November 6, 2011 at 8:12 am | Permalink

        I’m actually thinking she might be the result of some sort of genetic experiment rather than a robot…closer to, say, the equivalent of a homunculus or heavily modified human.

      • Scamp
        Posted November 7, 2011 at 11:40 am | Permalink

        That’s definitely more believable

  8. luffyluffy
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    The think I kinda like about the Guilty Crown opening is how the music swells towards the middle and overtakes the vocals and becomes all about the background.

    Sorta like how Dear Future used too.

  9. romulus
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    So another episode of the weak Code Geass copy. It kept me entertained enough so I could hardly notice the usual faults. Except one: even if it does anything right, I will just say ‘because it’s a CG copy’.

    The (predictable) moral ambiguity began and I really, truly enjoyed it. That glorious first half was as if it came from a different anime. The gloriousness went beyond my fading memories of Code Geass and reached Death Note-esque heights too. My problem is that between all those morals only the main characters got nothing at all. Just look at Shu: Siding with that wimp is like dividing with zero, a genocide he witnessed didn’t really affect him. Inari is a meaningless moeblob.

    New character came with his fine-tuned madness. Really, I think that even though he did nothing grandiose or sadist, his madness was well-portrayed. (no, that headshot is still just plain stupid) He is on the supposedly good side, so he should be either benevolent or truly evil because he really stands out.

    Shu had a nice day in prison, even after it was proven that he knows much about the terrorist. He wasn’t even beaten. This is one of the reasons the Antibodies seem to be the good guys to me (for now). I think you can justify genocide if they are insurgents who carry a deadly virus. It’s important to note that we still don’t know why the Undertakers are fighting.

    My guess is that the nicely concealed madness will come out with a really unjustifyable genocide and during/before that we get to know why the terrorists are destroying the peace and order.

    I would really hate if the only reason Shu had to fight with the Undertakers is that they are the lesser evil. Because it is a CG-copy, the reason to wage a war could even be Gai’s personal grudge (and the others are simply loyal to him). Both can easily backfire.

    The rest was Ninja Master Gai, The suicidal GFlying Moeblob, Crappy Tactician Evil Leaders and flashy colours. Nice visuals are always irreproachable.

  10. ペーパー先生
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    I can only hope that once all the secrets are revealed, everything will fit in nicely. I hope.
    Anyway, onto why Inori decided to jump of a giant building. In my humble opinion, see just didn’t quite think it though. Gai keeps her close because of here unyielding devotion and emotionless carrying out of his commands. Not for here ingenious planning skills. Seriously, this is the girl you jump down to fight like, 12 Anti-bodies, AND THEN remembered that her tiny robot companion wasn’t working.

    • ペーパー先生
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 2:02 am | Permalink

      *she, *her, *who. Sorry for my spelling errors

  11. DarkEnergy
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 2:07 am | Permalink

    Wow Scamp, you had quite a lot to say about this episode. Great post. You basically pointed a out all the things I would have had to say about this episode and more. You’re getting pretty good at this whole blogging thing, huh?

    • Scamp
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

      Why thank you. I’d like to think I got better at this whole blogging thing, seeing as I have been doing it for 3 and a half years now

  12. Flawfinder
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    I liked this episode better than the rest, but the show still isn’t good. The characters aren’t likable, the story has about a bajillion plotholes…oh my god, I AM watching a mainstream blockbuster. AHHHHHH!

    Anyways, it was quite obvious Shu chose Gai’s group because of Inori. People have been theorizing that they met when they were kids, but I don’t think that excuse their current flat relationship.

    • A Person
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 2:49 am | Permalink

      OH GOD NO

      ANYTHING but the “Forgotten Childhood Friend” rubbish

    • Kiseki
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

      To me she seems like she’s supposed to be the girl in Shoe’s flashbacks.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

      Yup, I’m seeing a Forgotten Childhood Friend twist coming, just like Deadman Wonderland. Bleargh

  13. Posted November 5, 2011 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    I agree with this post completely. This episode is awesome and the show has no flaws whatsoever.

    • Erif
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Permalink


    • Xardion
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

      Well, please excuse some of us for not disliking the episode and daring to think that there were entertaining and interesting things in it…which doesn’t mean the episode or the series is “flawless” at all.

    • fathomlessblue
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 5:09 pm | Permalink


    • Scamp
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Permalink


  14. dragonfly82
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 5:25 am | Permalink

    I agree with you on the Opening Song,
    it’s not bad, but it doesn’t deserve all the hype
    that it gets….

    (there are tons of OPs that are more memorable)

  15. Posted November 5, 2011 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    I don’t particularly like the op either, but then again, I suck at listening to music properly, so yeah, there might be something awesome there, hidden that I can’t catch because I am dumb like that. Though, I don’t particularly mind the op either, the instrumental bits seem okay, though I am not a big fan of the vocals/lyrics though.

    This episode wasn’t bad, well, I didn’t like the first half because it’s painful to see wimp like characters suffer. The second half was much better because of you know all the action, the cool music, and all that shnaz. It also looked pretty, the water scene in particular.
    As everyone else already mentioned, Shu was told to get the void from the murderer by Gai, so yeah, he didn’t act on his own.

    About the whole ambiguous evil thing, you know what I really wanted? I wanted Shu to just say “Screw you all” grab a void or two, escape by himself, and go live in the woods as a hermit?
    How awesome would that be? An anime about a hermit living in the woods, who would get voids from animals and then use those voids to do good stuff like prevent earthquakes or heal a tiger’s toothache?

    As for Inori, well… I normally tell others to treat characters as you know characters, but in this case, maybe an exception is good for you.

    Think of Inori as a tool, literally.
    She exists to:

    1)-Make Shu go through character support.
    2)-Provide fanservice.
    3)-Add direction to plot when necessary (you know, the maiden in distress and what not).

    All in all, I’d rather have a useless, dim-witted, in love with male lead after 2 days female then a generic moe blob who does nothing but sprout obvious cheesy things (e.g. Hibino from Kamisama Dolls).

  16. RANDOM
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    ‘Am I miss­ing some­thing with the Guilty Crown open­ing song? It has been one of the few aspects of the anime I’ve seen that gets near uni­ver­sal praise’????
    Are you from another dimension? I was pretty sure everyone was bashing it after the ep2 aired

  17. Posted November 5, 2011 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    I’m glad I know that Inori can fly now, because I have a feeling the show will forget all about that, and if I hadn’t noticed that one scene, I would not have been aware of that important part of her character.

    Essentially I think of Guilty Crown as being a very pretty bunch of nonsense.

    • mcm38
      Posted November 5, 2011 at 10:36 am | Permalink

      That makes you puke at the sight and the actions of the main lead.

  18. Kamui
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Actually enjoyed this episode, probably because of the perdy visuals and flashy action scenes.Among all the questions you have raised so far Scamp, there is one enigma that has yet, and probably won’t ever be, answered: Why does Inori go out into the battlefield in that unnecessarily gaudy outfit? What kind of advantage does it give her in combat, distracting soldiers with her cleavage?
    Please don’t answer with “because it’s anime!”.

    And yeah, Gai is a bland and uncharismatic version of Lelouch.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 6, 2011 at 12:01 am | Permalink

      Because it is open at the chest and therefore reveals how open her heart is to Shu. It’s Symbolic

  19. dragonfly82
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    The worst part of the series so far is definitely Inori,

    her moeblob looks just make me cringe,
    she’s fighting along the resistance wearing a cocktail dress
    and speaking like Rei Ayanami…

    and why the heck can she jump 10 mts into the air,
    is she a cyborg? mutant? anime physics?

  20. Posted November 5, 2011 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    The difference between the baddies and the good guys is the good guys just look like they have more fun. I dunno, if the bad guys would at least crack a smile once in awhile that doesn’t precede somebody getting a bullet lodged in their skull, I’d feel a little more warmly towards them.

  21. fathomlessblue
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    I guess what you consider small nitpicks. I see as huge issues which undermine my enjoyment at every turn. Lord knows what will happen when you find something to really hate… oh right, Arakawa S2 and Occult Academy…

    I’ll meet you half-way; next to this week’s P4, Guilty Crown ep 4 was like watching Berserk!

    Regarding the intro song, the first 15 seconds are so are good. That’s more than many OP’s this season.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 6, 2011 at 12:03 am | Permalink

      You know, I don’t hate either Arakawa S2 or Occult Academy. Heck, I think Arakawa S2 is pretty darn funny, while Occult Academy has some clever episodes but got bogged down wasting time before a stupid final bunch of episodes, obscuring what was actually a clever ending.

      You want to see me cover something I hate? Fractale

      • Posted November 6, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

        Arakawa 2 was pretty meh, no interesting wacky plor nor was it funny. Not bad, but not very good either :(

      • fathomlessblue
        Posted November 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

        Wow, you’re actually recognising Arakawa S2 as existing now! That’s real progress, good for you! ^ ^

        Ah Fractale. Alongside Ore no Imouto and Durarara’s slow-almost-decent-into-chaos, that has to be some of your best work!

  22. Mad Larken
    Posted November 5, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    One of the only interesting things that may keep me watching this Michael bayish anime is the investigator. I get the sense that I can read the character as an expy of a certain inglourious basterds detective. They both are derived from the same bloodhound genes and are treated as being the best in their field and can be very dangerous to their own side. The entertaining factor about characters like Hans Landa is that we get to watch them act with a intentional deliberateness and yet are not privy to personal motivations until the end. I hope that we will see a wonderful turning of events down the road.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 6, 2011 at 12:05 am | Permalink

      I see where you’re coming from, but I’m thinking it will be more along the lines of “he just likes beautiful things” or something dull like that

  23. Posted November 6, 2011 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Look, Scamp, it’s okay. You can admit that Guilty Crown is complete rubbish. We won’t think less of you for betting on the wrong horse, even though your love of the third episode will always be inexplicable to me.

    We are, however, in agreement about the OP. Not only is it poorly constructed, but it’s boring as well. I had no idea there were people that liked it until you mentioned them in this post.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 6, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

      I didn’t love the third episode. I just thought it was decent, which was several bizillion miles better that episode 2

  24. 3242
    Posted November 7, 2011 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    I suspect that Inori was once a Mass murderer as well, so much that the Funeral Parlor captured her for her awesome Void and sealed off all emotions!
    Then her extreme emotionless-ness would make more sense..
    so much..

  25. Taka
    Posted November 7, 2011 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    Generally the melody of pop music comes from the vocals. If you mainly listen to jazz, classical, or other instrumental music than you might have not be listening for the right things to enjoy pop music.

    About the Guilty Crown OP in general: it’s excellent. Without any buildup whatsoever it starts out with a prominent and memorable line that grabs the listener immediately. That initial line is the Slash’s opening riff of Sweet Child of Mine (of course not on the same level but it has the same effect). The drums are quite prominent in the mix which is typical of Ryo’s compositions as is the emphasis on strings and piano. (which makes sense given the fact Ryo knows mainly how to play Piano and Drums) As for the coda it’s fucking perfect the drums and piano are going nuts, he’s got a little Spector sounding Wall of Sound effect with the singers and the strings, and the vocalist isn’t being completely shut out somehow. That’s where the strength of the vocals come out. I’ll admit a number of the vocalist’s lines have a harsh sounding timbre but for the most part they are on pitch (the part right before the coda is especially shaky) and moreover they fit the song and can cut through the chaos of the coda. The inflection she uses on Usotsuki gets me every time. She really sounds bitter as hell. Very emotional vocals. I love the song the energy is great and builds to a fabulous climax.

    I’m actually rather torn between this and another (less complex) supercell composition for the Shakugan no Shana Final OP (sung by Kotoko) in deciding which is my favorite of the season.
    Also fan of the Gundam AGE OP by Galieo Galilei.

    • Scamp
      Posted November 7, 2011 at 11:53 am | Permalink

      I get the argument about the opening line being strong (although I think the line is ruined by the derpy engrish). But her voice is drowned out by the time the chorus comes around over a cacophony of different instruments, all of which are too busy trying to have themselves be the overpowering instrument to help compliment each other. The result means it just comes out as a wall of noise. I prefer stuff like the Persona 4 OP or the Un-Go ED, where the instruments are limited and the tune is much more pronounced

      • Taka
        Posted November 7, 2011 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

        the derpy engrish is worse in the Persona 4 OP. That said it’s not a bad song. The Un-Go ED is awesome but I actually enjoyed Spell by Lama from No.6 better then this song. Though they are rather wildly different in terms of mood. Also Lama is awesome it’s half of Supercar + a guitarist/vocalist from a defunct rock band + someone

        As for wall of noise bit I’m pretty sure, but I won’t know till the full version comes out, that the OP doesn’t even have a straight chorus in it. The final bit sounds more like a coda to me than a straight chorus. I hear opening hook, a verse, the bridge, and the coda (which could be a combination of the chorus with the rest of the instruments). If you are correct that the portion is the chorus than yeah it’s way too busy and requires too much buildup after every verse. If it’s the coda however it fits perfectly. That kind of overlapping of instruments and vocals is effective to establish the end of the song. Trying to think of a popular music analagous…Bitter Sweet Symphony by the Verve? Not quite the same energy but same principle. Or maybe Sigur Ros – Festival from the 127 hours OST…if you manage to sit through all 9minutes of it the coda is huge.

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