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Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet episode 9 – Ika MusuBLEARGH

vlcsnap-2013-06-03-11h33m27s26Shinmaru late with Flowers of Evil post, Inushinde missing an Attack on Titan post, and now me being late on Gargantia posts again. The Cart Driver is going downhill. I was going to make lots of clever jokes about how the Hideauze moe girl murdering scene would have been way more emotionally traumatising if they had replaced her with Squid Girl, but now everybody has made that joke so I would just look silly. You know, for a property touting its Butcher Gen heritage, so far the characters to die are a psychotic lesbian pirate villain, an old dude who was dying anyway, and Squid Girl.

vlcsnap-2013-06-03-11h29m02s193I really loved how the reveal for the Hideauze was handled. Not necessarily the big info dump, I’ll get to that later. What I really liked was how they set your mind on that path with the floating Hideauze foetus a few moments before. You didn’t need Ledo going “that sure looked like a human baby don’t you think Chamber”. They just let it float by our screen and let us take that detail in for ourselves. The earlier battle between Chamber and the Hideauze made it look like a massacre rather than a battle, moving onto full blown genocide when Chamber started lazily blasting his laser into the vats and eggs.

vlcsnap-2013-06-03-11h32m32s243As for the reveal itself, it was like a cross between the walking donkey library infodump episode of From the New World crossed with the music video reveal from Pale Cocoon. The infodump tactic can horribly backfire and be a massive pile of boring stodge in the laziest example of attempting storytelling ever. See the first episode of Fate/Zero with that infamous walking around in circles scene. To give context for why that sucked versus Gargantia and From the New World, firstly having it right at the beginning of the first episode is a terrible move. Both Gargantia and From the New World had already been hinting at the things the infodump revealed, so we were invested in finding out why the world was this way. Fate/Zero dropped all this info on us without giving us a reason to care beforehand. No investment means sitting through an extended monologue about the world is lost on us. Gargantia and From the New World up-ended our view of the story. Fate/Zero had nothing to upend so it left no emotional impact.

Secondly, the presentation of Fate/Zero’s monologue is shit. Gargantia used the lost archives idea, as did Pale Cocoon, while From the New World cut to shots of what they were explaining. It used the pictures to help tell the narrative, so while what we are getting is an infodump, it’s not an infodump entirely through monologue. Fate/Zero meanwhile showed us two men walking in a circle. Riveting material clearly. I genuinely don’t even remember what that monologue was actually about, that’s how boring it was. Also third and final problem with the Fate/Zero walking in circles scene: No Rider and Waver. Therefore automatically in the ‘shit’ category of Fate/Zero scenes.

What’s that? I was supposed to be talking about Gargantia and not bitch about Fate/Zero?

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  1. MaduScientisto
    Posted June 6, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what this show would be like if Urobuchi wrote the script for every episode instead of just the first and last.

    Anyway, the whole ‘Hideauze ARE HUMANS TOO’ is somewhat foreshadowed in episode 1, but it’s done so subtly that I only noticed it afterwards: http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/squids_zps467c8ff4.png

    4 arms and 4 legs = 8 limbs, just like squids. Though it’s a bit weird that it’s shown along with the Alliance, unless they are Hideauze too, which is a bit too silly of plot twist.

    • Posted June 6, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

      I may steal your avatar. :)

      • MaduScientisto
        Posted June 6, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

        Hahaha, feel free to do so, Unibrow-kun is the best part of Aku no Hana :)

    • blackice85
      Posted June 6, 2013 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

      I suspected they were related to humans when I noticed the somewhat human-like jaws they had, instead of squid beaks.

  2. James
    Posted June 6, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Arrrrrgggggg- god damn it. Hahaha.

    I really thought we were going for a straight up “You can live alongside even giant monster squids!” except now its “But there people tooooo!”

    I can’t say it’s a really dumb plot twist, it’s just one I guess I didn’t enjoy. Although the squid moe girl was a bit silly. I don’t know, I guess I just thought the theme of coexistence was better when applied to nature and people- not just people and mutant people.

    • Scamp
      Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

      I see what you mean. What does making them having once been humans change about exterminating them? They’re still sentient creatures. Or is that just me being a tree-hugger

  3. Posted June 6, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    I agree the first episode of F/Z was the worst of the entire series – worse than the two episode flashback of Kuritsugu or the Rin episode. That almost turned me off from a great series.

    Usually info dumps are done in the beginning to establish the premise, but this works only if the amount of time is limited. It works only in spots, and only if the characters do not already know the information.

    Here in Gargantia it’s a nice revelation, more so than exposition, but it’s just too bad that it takes place after 2 or 3 shitty to mediocre episodes in a row :(

    • Scamp
      Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

      I’m not really keen on infodumps to establish the premise. Leave us figure out what’s going on, then explain the more minute details when we have already figured the basics out through observation

  4. Pusswookie
    Posted June 6, 2013 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Because no one on the forums really helped me make a proper distinction, I’ll just ask you anime wizards here:

    So do they start out looking vaguely humanoid and then grow into horrifying rave squids? Or are there some human looking ones and some ugly ones? When they’re born is it a toss up between inheriting Mommy’s lips or Daddy’s gaping cephalopodic maw? Where do they stop being human and start being Energizer mollusks?
    I’m just having trouble seeing many similarities between Momma squid and the cute one at the end; how do they get from the latter to the former? While they both glow and have tentacles, they still look like entirely different lifeforms [that have been mainlined Neon and radioactive waste].

    Also, were they meant to be able to shed their exteriors post space travel like an organic space suit or was it an oversight to not include opposable thumbs? They lay eggs, which means that their gestation and birthing methods are now fundamentally different from humans, so it seems like it was meant to be a permanent lifestyle choice.

    Off topic: whether you frown upon it or not, I thought Fate/Zero was well worth the initial infodump. You may have thought Kiritsugu generic [for some reason], but I thought it was kind of refreshing to not have a dandy fresh-faced teenager as the protagonist [looking at you, Fate/Stay Night]; not to mention Rider and Gilgamesh [and to a lesser extent, Lancer and Caster] were really entertaining and consistent characters.

    • Pusswookie
      Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

      I get that they can change greatly while in the womb egg, I’m just curious as to how they make such a drastic metamorphosis from Squid Girl to The Kraken. Really intense puberty I guess.

      • Posted June 7, 2013 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

        My guess is that it got something to do with the squid genes becoming more prominent in future generations, or something. Or perhaps there was simply some sort of backlash.

      • Pusswookie
        Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

        Maybe the cute one is an abnormality and might be the result of it’s cephaloparents dropping acid during the pregnancy or spousal abuse. Though, I doubt that’s true, because it seems like they all start out looking vaguely human, and then gradually(?) turn in to rave party monsters. What I’m asking is, how in the growth process do they get from the humanoid kawaii squid to Mama mollusk with the Sarlacc mouth?

    • Scamp
      Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

      My guess is this is years of evolution brought them to that stage. The squid girl Chamber smooshed was probably no more than a child. Hence its tiny size and curiosity

      • Pusswookie
        Posted June 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

        Yeah I know it’s just…
        Read my comment that’s right above yours.

  5. Redcrimson
    Posted June 6, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Rather than another Squid Girl joke, I instead choose the much classier Soylent Green reference.

    Soylent GreenHideauze is people! Tell everyone! Soylent GreenHideauze is PEOPLE!!

    • Scamp
      Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

      Pah, Soylent Green references are too mainstream. Gotta stick to the anime references

  6. UAC
    Posted June 6, 2013 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Well there have been hints that the hideauze had Earth roots. Just take a look at the Ledo’s space suit and the hideauze shells. They both have fancy neon coloured lines on them.

    @Pusswookie. As for the Hideauze larvae or babies. They look like humans until they grow older into their squid form. Think about how fetuses look different for baseline humans as they grow in the womb. There also seems to be a misconception about the hideauze on Earth being just the symbiont’s,but they are humans (kinda) which you can see in their larvae stage.

    As for the space hideauze their shells are space suits or battle suits considering like batman they can probably breath in space. Moreover, the space hideauze also look a bit different then their Earth counterparts just like how the GA humans look different from the Earth humans.

    I cant want for the next episode. How will Ledo deal with this reveal. And will Chamber have to go all commissar on Ledo if he refuses to fight anymore?

    • Pusswookie
      Posted June 7, 2013 at 2:04 am | Permalink

      That’s what I automatically assumed as well, and is definitely the case, I just want to know how they go from looking vaguely humanoid to…well, Obviously A Squid and Nothing Else.

    • Pusswookie
      Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

      Btw I’m also looking forward to “I have to tell everyone about this!”
      “I’m sorry Ledo, I’m afraid I can’t let you do that.”

  7. Aoi
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    http://i.imgur.com/ahXJ8Dv.jpg here is a interesting image of the hideauze.

  8. shytende
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    What I’m wondering is how many time ago, all of this happened.

    There’s this shot of the little girl who looks suspiciously like Amy in the archives.

    There are also the questions of their life expectancy, because Squid Girl looks like the one we saw on the archives too.
    And we don’t know yet how much of their Human emotions they kept.

    What’s interesting is that the situation isn’t really black and white. The Evolvers can be considered a threat to Humanity, so the Alliance have reasons to want to stop their expansion. It becomes a battle between to different possible future of Humanity instead of just mindless Space aliens killing. Depending how things will evolve, it may be interesting to see.

    • Scamp
      Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

      I was glad they didn’t paint it black and white too. The Evolvers became a bit “we’re superior beings so we should wipe them out” while the humans started out as just plain old grumpy white men racists

  9. Hanasra
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Episode 8? Isn’t this Episode 9? Or am I just experienced Dejavu just now?

    • Scamp
      Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

      You did not see the wrong episode number *waves hand*

  10. Cirith
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    I found the girl form swimming up to the mecha quite silly. You don’t have to be particularly intelligent to not swim to an mecha, which just massacred everyone. Maybe that stage is very early in their development, but it was so obvious that she was just there so that he could go: “Nooo Chamber! Space squid is people!”

    • matrixEXO
      Posted June 7, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

      Rather, have you ever had the curiosity of wanting to know something triumph that rationality or staying away from something you don’t know?

      IMO, that space squid is sort of like a little child in that respective. Always curious and ever keen to go into danger because you just want to know.

      • Scamp
        Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

        I figured it was just a child too. I thought it was silly because it wanted to slam the point into our brain in a rather ham-fisted way. Or should I say steel fisted way geddit? Because it’s a mecha’s fist?

        oh never mind

  11. Scepter
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Seriously? Why is everyone referring to hideauze as humans? Humans evolved from sea organisms (like all life did) but do you ever see anyone ever saying “hey don’t eat that fish it’s human too!” the closest relative to humans are apes and people still don’t give a **** about them rly. What I’m trying to say is the fact that hideauze evolved from humans doesn’t makes them humans, especially at the point of evolution they achieved.. In fact it changes nothing, they are still a treat for survival oh humans species. Tthey are even more then that, I mean they can live in vacuum of space ffs they can live anywhere in the universe, yet they contest the human alliance in space for some planet.. Or solar system… If gargantia turns into omg hideauze are humans too we can’t kill them we must co exist im gonna be completely crushed… There is only gargantia and titans to follow now and I already read the manga for the titans :(

    • Cirith
      Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

      Depending on how far their changes go they might still have a human like mind, which is all that matters to award them similar moral status (for me at least). Not that it matters there are many wars betweens humans.

      Anyway if I was the leader of the humen side I would have revealed their origin. Why talk about inferior species if you can portray self modification as something bad and the space squids as abominations. I think much hate can be generated with going in the “They were once like us, but look at what they have become. They are corrupted and need to be purged.” direction.
      I think it’s harder to hate something if you consider it an animal.

    • Scamp
      Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

      I would find it quite hilarious if the story ended on “they were once human but they still hate us so fuck it kill them anyway”

  12. Kiraly
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    All we need is a ‘Titans are human’ (maybe an experiment gone wrong?) reveal for Shingeki too now. All the cool/edgy writers are doing it, after all!

  13. Pusswookie
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Chamber, have a snickers, you’re not you when you’re hungry.

  14. Scepter
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Also how is that possible, that was the facility of hideauze creators they looted, and the memory sticks they found should have belonged to them no? So why did alliance had authorization to access them? They where two hostile factions even before the mutatiton after all no?

  15. BwackNinja
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    I’m wondering where the crew of Gargantia came from. There were no technological strongholds that survived the ice age, otherwise they wouldn’t be so deprived of information. The fact that the archives were designed to survive so long in the sea makes me think that the hideauze have something to do with the existence of humans on Earth.

    Also, I’m now expecting the moral quandary of “The Alliance retained their human form and gave up their humanity while the hideauze gave up their human form and retained their humanity.”

  16. Cirith
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    I just remembered the pirates. Ledo killed them without remorse, why does killing modified humans bother him that much more. (Well I guess his belief system may be a bit shaken since he had been lied to, but still.)

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