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Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet episode 3 – Lobster mecha

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Quick question for you Gargantia. The entire planet is covered in water, right? So the only animals left would be water life, right? So how exactly did that squirrel thing survive then? Aha, plot hole!

Actually the crew chowed down on what appeared to be some chicken later, so it’s probably safe to say that they have some farming boats in the flotilla. So I guess it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that they also would have saved some other animals, Noah’s Arc style. Which may even have included cute little mascot squirrels. Fine Gargantia, you get off this time.

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In a mecha anime with giant sea battles and space battles and so on, it’s interesting how my favourite parts of the past 2 episodes have been these conversations between Ledo and the girls. The conversations bring out the differences between the two sides, and we always learn something new about each character and where they come from and how they think with each conversation. It’s good, solid dialogue that’s also charming as hell. The themes are a bit simplistic when you break it down, particularly after Psycho Pass, but it does a good job of exploring them. ‘Killing is Bad’ shouldn’t be as simplistic a subject as many stories make it out to be after all. Ledo is practically a weapon of mass destruction and I bet they’ll explore that side of the debate with characters arguing why they don’t just use Ledo as a threat to get what they want from pirates and other fleets.

Another big part of why I like these scenes is the composition and the way they split the screen to deliberately show the contrast between the two sides. It’s a fairly simple trick, but I’ve been loving how Gargantia does it. One part I’m less sure I’m keen on are the character designs. They’re done by an artist whose done a lot of porn in their time, and it certainly shows. Particularly on Bellows, who appears to be composed entirely of ass. Or that pirate queen. I was a little bit sceptical when she showed up, but then we had a sequence of events that belonged in an episode of Jojo’s.

So we had a crazy lesbian pirate captain and her scantily attired henchwomen.

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And then we had crazy lesbian pirate captain piloting a submarine lobster mecha with her scantily attired henchwomen.

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And then we had crazy lesbian pirate captain politing a submarine lobster mecha shooting into the air on top of two shark torpedoes with her scantily attired henchwomen.

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And then we had crazy lesbian pirate captain piloting a submarine lobster mecha shooting into the air on top of two shark torpedoes with her scantily attired henchwomen being bear hugged by a mecha voiced by Tomokazu Sugita.

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And then we had crazy lesbian pirate captain politing a submarine lobster mecha shooting into the air on top of two shark torpedoes with her scantily attired henchwomen being bear hugged by a mecha voiced by Tomokazu Sugita and then hurled through the air Team Rocket style and crashing into the water several miles away.

vlcsnap-2013-04-22-17h28m21s2410/10 Anime of the Season.

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66 Comments

  1. blackice85
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    I enjoyed the episode, but I did a major facepalm when they tried equating the act of Ledo killing the pirates who attacked Bellows as murder. The pirates weren’t simply talking tough and waving weapons, they were firing their weapons on the Gargantia ship and crew. The people in this world are struggling to survive and I don’t believe they’d be screwing around wasting lives and resources trying to be merciful to their enemy by responding meekly.

    They even had the gall to say that it’s Ledo’s fault they’re in the situation in the first place. No, it’s the pirates fault for being the aggressors, and they should know they’re risking their lives by attacking and killing people to steal their stuff. Responding with equal or greater force is perfectly reasonable. I just can’t stand the pacifist crap that the writer is pushing, they’re basically saying you should negotiate with terrorists.

    • Gan_HOPE326
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

      When there are no laws, no state, no police, just the law of the strongest, what do you think people should do? Most likely there was a tenuous balance between Gargantia and the pirates: the pirates would occasionally loot something without causing too much harm to things or people, the Gargantians would give it without opposing too much resistance, and that would sort of work. Surely the Gargantians would be happier without the pirates, but since they’re there, they just deal with it. Ledo broke this balance. And I wonder if everyone who after this episodes screams “THEY SHOULD HAVE SLAUGHTERED THEM ALL BECAUSE PIRATES” really thinks that any kind of offence to their person or property justifies the immediate annihilation of everyone directly or indirectly responsible of such offence, and if they would actually pull it off. Because if they actually would, I’m surrounded by psychopaths and I should be scared.

      • blackice85
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

        The problem is the possible balance you speak of isn’t realistic, which is why I have a hard time believing it. The pirates would simply escalate their actions if Gargantia just let them take what they wanted, especially when the pirates reached a point where they could overwhelm them (which is what happens, it’s like 30 ships vs 15).

        I don’t think it was a mere offense to their person, did they not shoot guns and rockets at the Garagantia ship? I know this is anime but those aren’t considered toys, there would be deaths and injuries if this were real. The pirates were serious (Bellows admits their willingness to kill), so responding in kind to show them that there is a risk to their actions is reasonable. Defending yourself against a credible threat that they initiated is not murder.

      • Gan_HOPE326
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        Why is it not realistic? Isn’t that pretty much what mobsters do when ripping money off shop owners? I’m not saying it has to be an eternal and unchangeable equilibrium; I’m just saying that’s the way it was as of late.

        I think Gargantia has been much less naive with its ‘no killing policy’ than many anime. First, it’s not a ‘no killing’ policy at all, they just told him to avoid slaughtering everyone without a reason. Surely had he just scared away the pirates without giving them a reason for revenge Gargantia would have been off better, no? Second, they brought up the issue of deterrence. All in all they’re just saying pirates is something they have to deal with, and to do so, they need to act with tact and in a sensible way. Think of them as countries. Just because Iran and North Korea are much weaker than the USA and are annoying to them, does it mean that they should nuke them into oblivion? And in terms of moral questions, is mindless killing, even just of enemy soldiers, something that should be endorsed? Is killing criminals just because they are criminals acceptable? Our society tends to think that it’s not. Moreso that Ledo could have saved the day without slaughtering everyone. I don’t want to go on because I’ve already written walls of text on this topic, but there are lots of other issues at hand – trust in Ledo, for example. I think what happened makes perfect sense. There’s a lot of people who seem to think that killing everyone is just the best solution ever and I guess that’s the people Gen is trying to address his message to – but looks like it’s mostly falling flat anyway.

      • blackice85
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

        Mobsters exist where there is still some law and a police force, so there’s some limit to what they can do. You said yourself this world was lawless, just the ‘law of the strongest’. Do you really think the pirates would become content with just taking stuff and killing a few people occasionally, or would they not keep pushing the people of Gargantia when they found they were meek and unwillingly to fight back? This is why I compared it to negotiating with terrorists, if you give in to their demands it only emboldens then. This is how the real world and human nature works, which is why it’s hard for me find what the anime is portraying believable.

        As far as Iran and North Korea go, if they start shooting missiles you had better believe they’re getting slapped by someone. We’re being lenient with the warmongering speech but when people start dying all bets are off, that’s an act of war. That’s essentially what’s going on here in the anime, the pirates are declaring war against Gargantia. They’re saying that their lives and property are for their taking and daring Gargantia to do something about it. Should Ledo have not been involved? Then Amy shouldn’t have asked him to.

        I get that Gargantia would be concerned with the ease at which Ledo dispatched the pirates, but he only engaged the attackers, he did not set off to destroy every one of them. I disagree that it was mindless killing, he made accurate strikes against the pirates and avoided friendly causalities. If the pirates didn’t want to die they shouldn’t shoot at people and take hostages. If they want to negotiate something, threatening lives isn’t the way to go about it.

      • Gan_HOPE326
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

        Why wouldn’t they be content with little, if that little comes with less risk? If they pushed Gargantians into desperation by asking for too much, they’d be more likely to react violently, and attacking them would cause the pirates more losses. Moreover, if they killed the Gargantians, how’d they make their living? They would be forced to fish and gather resources themselves instead of looting (of course Gargantia is only one fleet, but this applies to all of them). Parasites need their host organism alive and relatively well in order to keep on leeching off him. It’s common sense.

      • blackice85
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

        That’s just not how criminals think lol. If they get away with it they’ll keep doing it, and greed will drive them to take more. It happens all the time in the real world. Criminals will start off with just robbing stores, then they start looting customers in the store, then they start getting more violent. It almost always escalates like that, they won’t ever know contentment because that isn’t how greed works, it can’t be sated.

        As for what they’d do in regards to labor, they’d take slaves, which also happens in the real world and was implied a bit here in the show.

        Maybe this world is special, but my whole point is the scenario isn’t realistic. Criminals don’t reach some equilibrium with their prey, and those preyed on get tired of being robbed and killed. Would you just accept it as the way things are? Gargantia doesn’t, Bellows even says they won’t give up their lives and property without a fight, hence the hypocrisy that I’m having a problem with.

      • Gan_HOPE326
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

        Y’know, “criminals” are not this weird breed different from homo sapiens sapiens. I’m pretty sure they think in terms of losses and gains like everyone else, if they’re smart enough. And while the random goon might not be, the guy in charge probably is. I’m Italian, and I can tell you our mafia has acted exactly in those terms of ‘balance’ for a long time, milking out people but not quite enough to make it worth for them to rebel, to the point where people actually accepted them (sadly).
        Also, in a post-apocalyptic setting, your biggest enemy is the environment, not other people. You probably mainly want to keep yourself alive, and can’t do that if you risk your life by pushing your victims to the edge of desperation and retaliation.

      • Scamp
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

        Stop watching Fox News and/or Daily Mail

      • blackice85
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

        I know the Mafia is like that in the real world, where there is still some degree of law and order. This wasn’t the Mafia coming into some guy’s store and asking for payment so that his store doesn’t mysteriously burn to the ground over night. The pirates started off by firing guns and rockets at Bellows’ crew, each of which had the potential to kill, and Bellows’ crew fired right back at them, with the intent to kill them no doubt.

        This isn’t a criminal organization that has it’s claws in a corrupt government and exorts money from citizens living in the same city. This is a roving band of brigands that are perfectly OK with murdering people who are minding their own business to take their stuff. You’re right that the environment is a major enemy in this post-apocalyptic world, but these kinds of people should be high on your list too, since they apparently have no qualms about killing. Bellows specifically said they have a willingness to kill, that’s not a group that is going to get along with others. How could you? They value your lives less than your material possesions.

        I’m not trying to be argumentative with anyone by the way, I’m geniunly curious now why some people aren’t seeing this.

      • Posted April 23, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

        You don’t need to make comparisons to organized crime or the Italian mafia to cover this point – look no further than actual pirates.

        Pirates did not often board ships and slaughter everyone on them, because their livelihood was theft, not murder. Effectively they robbed ships like a mugger in an alleyway… only there was a very limited supply of ships. The best course of action was to threaten a target ship with a display of force, fight back if they retaliated, board them, and take a large portion of their goods, leaving them enough to make it to port and sometimes even fund a return trip to do it again. If they could rob a merchant vessel twice in this manner as opposed to killing everyone aboard, they’d make almost twice the profit from a (more) sustainable source.

        Things did sometimes escalate and there were battles that resulted in either ship being sunk and lot of people dying on both sides. This was business as usual, and you would see things like shows of retaliatory force if a merchant vessel managed to sink a pirate crew. Hostilities didn’t stay at this level forever though. Both factions changed routes, ship, and personnel too quickly for anything to persist.

        From what I can tell, Gargantia’s pirates are currently at that point where they arrive guns blazing, cow the fleet with a big show and a few casualties traded, and take their spoils (or not). If the Gargantia just fought them back and they left empty-handed it would be no more than a bad day on the job.

        Ledo didn’t do this. He systematically eradicated every member of their crew. That’s no longer a case of “we attacked and failed”, but “they attacked us with overwhelming force”. As such, the pirates go to war to make an example of Gargantia for the other fleets.

        It’s not just and it’s not fair, but consider that Gargantia has been coexisting with these pirates for decades or longer, and I’ll bet you most of the time they were the weaker party. They depended on not engaging in open war with these pirates to survive.

    • Scamp
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

      Wait wait wait….you’re saying they’re naive for not supporting the mass genocide of an entire fleet? That they should use all their power and destroy every enemy in sight? You know why America is in the shithole they’re in now in the middle east? Just saying, if you were running for office in my country, you probably wouldn’t be getting my vote.

      Was your reaction to the final scene from episode 2 “fuck yeah Ledo you kill all those pirates”? Because I don’t think that’s how you were supposed to react, and is ultimately a waaaay more naive way of looking at things

      • blackice85
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

        Where is the mass genocide of the entire fleet? Ledo only attacked the pirates that had ambushed Bellows, he didn’t go to the pirates base and kill those not directly involved. If he had done the latter then I’d agree, but Amy directly asked him for help fending off the pirates attacking Bellows, so that’s why I don’t get the outrage from her and Gargantia afterwards. Did they expect him to attack the pirates and fail? Was he supposed to give them a fair chance to fire back at him and/or get a chance to execute hostages?

        America has the problems is has because it’s trying to act like World Police, which I disagree with. That’s different that retaliating against those who pose an immediate threat, like the pirates that had Bellows and her crew at gunpoint.

    • Scamp
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

      Actually let me add one other thing: If you think Ledo should have killed all the pirates, I suggest you watch Death Note again and pay a little closer attention to its message

      • blackice85
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

        I never said I think he should kill all the pirates, what I disagree with is Gargantia giving him shit for killing the attackers after he was asked to do so, something Bellows own crew was trying to do as they were being attacked. Was everyone using rubber bullets?

        Death Note is completely different, Light was killing people he had no involvement with, many of which weren’t an immediate threat to anyone (like those in prison).

      • Scamp
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

        Wait, so you thought what Light did wrong was he killed people in prison, but killing the criminals otherwise was fine? Gosh! That’s a new interpretation I’ve never seen for Death Note.

        Your approach is naive beyond belief. Do you think killing everything that gets in your way is the proper way to deal with things? You think America were correct to charge into Afghanistan and kill all their enemies? You think Ledo was correct in wiping out the entire fleet? (and yes it was near complete annihilation of that fleet).

        And this is ignoring the rather massive moral grounds here that, you know, killing thousands of people is bad. I said in this post that the themes are a bit simplistic, but then I see your bellyaching and change my mind. So again: You might want to watch Death Note again and pay a bit closer attention to what was actually wrong with what Light was doing

      • blackice85
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

        Light killed people in custody of the government, who posed no imminent threat to anyone. Ledo killed pirates that were currently attacking Bellows and holding them hostage. How is that not different? Bellows’ own crew fired on them to try and repel them. I never said kill everyone that get’s in your way. The only difference between what Ledo did and what Bellows’ crew was trying to do was that Ledo was better at it, he killed the pirates swiftly and they stood no chance against them. He did not launch a crusade against every pirate in the sea, he only attacked those directly involved, which yes was a fleet of ships.

        What Light did was wrong because he took the law into his own hands, he wasn’t using the Deathnote to kill anyone in progress of a crime to keep them from harming another person.

  2. Leah
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Sugitabot is the best character, hands down. I’m predicting the next few episodes to be SOL so if you liked the dialogue in this one you’ll probably be in for a treat. Amy’s brothers’ sickness will probably be scienced away by Chamber and Ledo and he will become their friend only to tragically die later.

  3. Kamui
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe you didn’t start this post off with a picture of Ledo saying thank you. That was pure MOE right there.
    Anyway, I couldn’t quite buy into the whole ‘let’s not kill the pirates’ deal. Perhaps it was because of their society’s way of life or simply goodwill, but for all their rational thinking you’d think they’d want to keep their kind alive and eliminate anyone who poses a deadly threat. If I had an indestructible death machine capable of taking down the whole enemy fleet at little cost, I wouldn’t make it’s job so much harder.

    • blackice85
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

      That’s what I didn’t understand. On one hand they don’t want to kill pirates, but Bellows clearly states to Ledo that they have weapons to defend their lives and property from the pirates. The pirates started the attack using real weapons while endangering real lives.

      I could see them being upset if they were simply waving their weapons around and Ledo got ahead of himself by slaughtering them all, but they made the first move, the threat was genuine. If they don’t respond by attacking, the pirates are going to walk all over them, which is also something Bellows says they won’t let happen.

      • Golos
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

        The people of Gargantia are okay with killing in self-defence, but not some disproportionate intervention by a neutral alien who is not familiar with local customs and attacks the pirates after Bellows and her crew surrendered.

      • blackice85
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

        But Ledo (who told them he was a warrior) was asked by Amy (whom was acting as a representative) to help them, so he was acting in good faith. What did she think he was going to do?

        How is it not self defense when the pirates were using lethal weapons against a ship that wasn’t bothering them? Every bullet they fired was capable of killing someone, it wasn’t a game.

        It’s not like Ledo flew off to destroy the pirate base, he only went after those who participated in the assault. The attackers should have known they could face retaliation, again it wasn’t a game they were playing. They put real lives at stake.

        This whole line of reasoning they’re trying to push is ignoring human nature, it’s not realistic.

      • kyren
        Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

        Amy had no reason to think that Ledo would completely annihilate the pirates. Just being told he’s a soldier doesn’t mean that she and the Gargantia had an understanding of his capabilities. And he was asked to save Bellows, not kill the pirates. Coming from her experience and world view, how was Amy to know how Ledo would interpret that? Not that it’s all Ledo’s fault either; he’s just as much a product of his upbringing as Amy is hers. But he shouldn’t have agreed to help without a proper understanding of the situation and local politics.

        And you’re completely misunderstanding the relationship the Gargantia has with the pirates. The pirates are basically parasites. They can’t (or at least are unwilling to) survive on their own, so they prey on other fleets. But destroying their host would be counterproductive. They were never intending to murder Bellows and her crew, just kill a few, assert their dominance, take the goods and leave. Status quo maintained. It’s not ideal for the Gargantians, but since they don’t have the means to drive off the pirates permanently, they live with it.

        Regarding the situation in episode two, the pirates attacked with the understanding that Bellows and her crew would put up a resistance, so some casualties may occur: acceptable risk. Having Ledo come in and completely wipe them out was never a part of either side’s plan. Now it’s a matter of pride. The pirates have to respond in kind to reassert their dominance, which is a worse situation for the Gargantians than what would have happened had Ledo not intervened.

  4. Butterflyfreer
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Haha… 10/10 post for well executed joke.

    Just wish Gargantia would have executed this episode half as well. The transition from the rather serious theme of the first two episodes to whatever theme this episode was trying to portray was rather poorly handled and as a consequence; jarring and silly.

    Maybe I shouldn’t take mecha that seriously anyway and just enjoy this series for what it is, or enjoy it for the amazing [female] character designs.

    • Scamp
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

      The only part of this show that has been super serious so far the opening scene. It’s been pretty goofy since then with all the corpse eating and so on. OK this episode approached Jojo’s levels, but it was so silly that I can give it a pass

  5. Outcast
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    First of all, totally called the crew’s reactions (ok, so there aren’t as many people on Team Condemnation at the end of this episode). Second, I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who was expecting a “Team Rocket’s blasting off again!”

    On a serious note, now that they took down that pirate queen, I’m wondering what the show’s format is going to be. I’m hoping it doesn’t turn into a Monster of the Week kind of deal, with a new pirate crew challenging Ledo every episode (until the space snails drop by).

  6. Chipp12
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    And then it was the lamest episode.

    • Scamp
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

      If you’re not enjoying watching lobster mechas riding on top of shark torpedos, then you need to take a serious look at what you’re doing with your life

      • Chipp12
        Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:39 am | Permalink

        Sorry but that Rackage (was it her name?) annoyed me so much that I just wanted her to disappear/drop dead for the most of the episode.

    • Gan_HOPE326
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

      AND THE WATER JET AFTER THE CRASH LOOKS LIKE A GIANT DICK TOO.

    • Ana
      Posted May 11, 2013 at 8:04 am | Permalink

      Felt the same way too, about the pirate queen being just a goddamned annoying shallow caricature of a lesbian villain. The ending was pretty much straight out of Pokemon, sorry Scamp.

      Love the rest of the show though, and it managed to stay grounded despite the goofy as fuck lobster crap. The accented “arigatou” at the end by Ledo was just the most genuinely adorable little piece of character development I’ve seen in a while.

  7. Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    crazy lesbian pirate captain loves jumping ramps, but her mecha looked so damn horrible, I wanted to see Chamber fire some more pew pew lasers at the pirates! Ah well Gargantia is turning Red into their personal guard dog/spotlight dude…

    Tomokazu Sugita ftw

  8. Posted April 23, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    So did anyone else think the pirates looked like the villains from Yatterman? Because they sure looked like the villains from Yatterman.

    But yeah, meh episode this week.

  9. Sunny Shine
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    So I know why characters in Gargantia don’t talk as much as other Urobutcher shows: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/SuiseiNoGargantia

    I hate to admit it, he didn’t exactly improve in the dialogue department, only wrote the script for the first episode. I suppose he is still the writer and series composition (pretty much the story creator if I interpret the position correctly?).

    • Scamp
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

      For what it’s worth, the first episode has had the best writing so far, although first episodes usually stand out because they have to leave a strong impression

  10. Fumoffu!!
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    I think of the people who say it was Ledo/Red’s fault, and I just think about the hypocrisy of their moral faggery. Let’s face it, I imagine most of them don’t care that much about the moral wrongness of what Red Ledo did, they just care because the rest of the Pirates will come to try and kill them.

    I actually like the character designs on the whole, though Crazy Lesbian Pirate Captain (CLPC) was a bit… well, given what her character is supposed to be her attire actually makes sense. She’s a try hard basically. She tries to give off this image of being a sexy badass pirate lady, unflinching as she “brutally” pulls on the chain to her sexy meek female slaves. But then when the battle comes and it turns out they aren’t meek at all, or even really slaves, and more like Henchmen.

    I assume this is because they’re just playing along with the CLPC’s power play. I know we’re never gonna see it, but I bet when noone is around she’s really nice to the two henchmen. I have this amusing thought that she tried to dominate over them at first (in several ways), but the facade fell apart fairly quickly and they only do it for appearances when on show. I bet you she’s a taker.

    Okay, I probably spent too much time thinking about that, if she never shows up again then especially so. Also, at the speed at which those boats were being twirled, those henchmen should be so dead.

    • blackice85
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

      Oh yeah, if the speed at which they were being twirled didn’t kill them, the impact of hitting the water certainly would, even if they had good seatbelts on lol.

  11. Cirith
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Btw do others beside me think that the permanent circular blush some of the female characters have looks weird?

    • blackice85
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

      I noticed that, probably just part of the character design.

  12. Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one who thinks Gargantia executes silliness better than Valvrave? Or am I just following the wrong people?

    • gedata
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

      Valvrave is overkill. It’s so bad it goes past being so bad until it just lands on bad.

    • TheOgre
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

      It does, but Gargantia is definitely more serious overall. It’s not a much of a silly show, so this is a different kind of humor that works better within a genuinely serious context.

      Doesn’t stop me from enjoying Valvrave’s sheer insanity myself, though I realize you won’t agree with that. Ah, the wonders of having a difference of opinion!

    • Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:35 am | Permalink

      Gargantia is only silly because the characters are designed by hentai artist. Amy is totally a pedo bait, Rackage is masochist’s bait, and Bellow is for people with more normal taste. :-)

    • AG
      Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:37 am | Permalink

      Gargantia is silly but Valvrave is just full on retarded

  13. ANON
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    first, notice the full grown trees on some of the ships, this implies that either they were there when the ships were built, or they were put there. if they were put there, that meant that in ancient times land existed but they didn’t disappear all at once, it must’ve been a gradual increase in the water levels, plenty of time to put useful animals on board just like noah’s ark.

    also, they’ve been on the ships for so long that trees grew to that height and they consider “land” as a legend. kinda like the movie waterworld. I’m guessing that any animals on board gargantia must’ve been deliberately bred from a parent stock either for food or for being mascot material.

    the bigger mystery for me was the marketplace. If land was just a legend, then how come they were able to grow agricultural products on board rusty steel ships? even if we assume that they know about soil and how to make plants grow, that would mean that they must know that the legend they call land exists underwater and that they need to bring this stuff to the surface and use it to make plants grow.

    lastly, couldn’t ledo just to a worldwide scan and confirm if there are really no continents left? don’t tell me that they have the firepower to fight space snails but they can’t even look for land?

    • kyren
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

      On the official site there are images of what google translate tells me are ‘farm ships’ so yes, they do have at least some form of agriculture.

      There’s a difference between knowing that plants grow out of dirt and what really constitutes ‘land’. It’s like trying to explain the ocean to someone who lives in a landlocked country, or a mountain to someone who lives in Kansas (in a pre-internet, pre-easy travel era). They might have a vague idea of what they are, but not a true understanding. And it might just be Amy’s ignorance. She is young, and doesn’t seem to be particularly studious. Other characters may have a better idea of what ‘land’ might be.

      What does the amount of firepower Chamber has have to do with his scanning capabilities? From what we’ve been shown, he does have the ability to scan his immediate surroundings and a ways beyond, but that doesn’t mean he can scan the whole planet (Earth is kinda big, you know.) He missed the submerged pirates during the battle, and they weren’t that far away.

      • ANON
        Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:29 am | Permalink

        About amy being young, (16 years old?) and growing up aboard the ship could be a valid explanation. it is a possible reason for her statement about not knowing anything about land since she could’ve heard about it from the older people on the ships but she doesn’t have first hand experience about it. at least they knew that they are on a planet, and that water was once in solid form.

        as for agriculture, if they’ve been living on the ships for at least a generation, based on the fact that the glasses girl that is 2nd in command once had a father who lead garantia, then by then any soil that they would’ve used wouldn’t have been fertile enough to grow anything, unless they have the concept of fertilizer. its easy enough to add “animal carcasses” to the soil to make it fertile again.

        it was shown in ep1 how they could detect the enemy from behind a jupiter type of planet. it might just be nitpicking at this point but how hard is it to fly to a certain height and scan the area above water to look for land?

        chamber’s failure to detect the submarine might just be because they weren’t expecting it, that or they made it as such so that chamber won’t be too OP. but in case chamber really can’t detect anything underwater for some reason, does this mean that chamber needs to see or have a visual of an object before it can identify it? that might be a possibility, because remember when they were at the sea stream and many stars were shown? ledo got excited and asked chamber if it can determine their location. then it said something about atmospheric interference and “limits of optical analysis”, clouds were shown blocking some of the stars.

        lol, for all its advanced technology they were not even able to equip it with cloud penetrating radar?

      • kyren
        Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:20 am | Permalink

        Regarding the Gargantia’s agricultural abilities, I’m sure it’s safe to assume that they’ve worked out a system over the years to keep it sustainable. We may not learn the exact details, but it’s really not that important in the grand scheme of things.

        I agree that Chamber could fly up and scan for landmasses, but that’s still assuming his scanners have a range of thousands of miles. I’d have to watch the space battle again, but I don’t think we can definitively say how great the distances being covered in the fight were, so it may not be the best gauge of Chamber’s scanning powers.

        But even if his range was limited, it would be a lot easier for Chamber and Ledo to quickly fly around and do recon than it would be for the natives. But then we don’t know how long Chamber can fly for or how fast. What we really need is some exposition concerning Chamber so we can have more than guess-work to go off of :D

        As funny as clouds blocking his sensors sounds, I interpreted Chamber’s ‘limits of optical analysis’ to mean that from his position on Earth, he couldn’t gather enough data to find a point of reference between his current location and wherever the Alliance is. They know they’re on Earth, but Earth’s location relative to the Alliance’s is the big unknown.

      • ANON
        Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

        yep, like I said, nitpicking, and we (or I) was working on only 3 episodes worth of material. but everything looks good so far.

      • pikachu
        Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

        Just nitpicking, but while cloud penetrating radar can help you scan the surface it sure as heck ain’t gonna do nothing to help you scan the stars, which are light years away. Chamber’s abilities are based on existing technologies, and the limits of his optical analysis are already established from the time he established earth’s position in the solar system. Chamber is able to see planets in mid-daylight and establish the orbital motion of nearby celestial objects. I agree that his comments are better interpreted as failure to determine his position relative to the Alliance rather than being blinded by clouds. Another interpretation may be that Chamber astronavigates by using celestial markers identified by unique emission wavelengths like modern satellites do, which can only be done from outside the atmosphere because air itself distorts and shifts the stellar emission wavelengths reaching ground-based optics. All of Chamber’s reference data must be space-based because Alliance people don’t live on planets.

  14. Nazaren
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    I felt they didn’t elaborate enough (evidently) on why what Ledo did was wrong, and their conversation ended without the gravity it should have had.

    “You killed tens or hundreds of people when a simple show of force would have worked, but you won’t do it again? Great, glad we got that cleared up! SMILES!”

    Granted, I suppose “miscommunication” is practically it’s own theme on this show…

    Otherwise I enjoyed it, especially the JoJo camp, but I feel they missed a beat by having Rackage and Co splash into distant water, instead of becoming a twinkling star…

    • blackice85
      Posted April 23, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

      Haha yeah, that’s an understatement =P

      I actually went and watched another group’s version to see if the translation effected the wording of the events, but it still plays out the same and fits with what’s happening on screen. Perhaps something was still lost in the translation though.

      Anyhow I enjoy the discussion, bad shows usually don’t provoke as much thought from me so I think it’ll be a good show.

    • Gan_HOPE326
      Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:08 am | Permalink

      Well, I actually liked that reaction though. I mean, on another show they might have held a grudge on him because “killing = bad”. That would have been annoying. Here they have their morals and their code, but they also are down-to-earth enough to recognize that Ledo acted in good faith and still helped them (besides being their only hope in the oncoming battle with the pirate fleet), so they are still willing to give him kudos. I mean, if I was assaulted by a violent mugger and someone else barged in and killed him, I might not agree with his methods, but I won’t hate him for it either. He still is “on my side” after all. It’s true that being a pirate or a criminal in general means putting your life on the line. I still think it’s not right to take it lightly, but I’m not so naive as to think that whoever does it is a murderer like any other. There are many shades of gray between black and white in this world.

      • blackice85
        Posted April 24, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

        Agreed, I liked that they’re forgiving him right away. Their leadership seems to be pretty solid too so far. Still not sure what direction the show will take exactly, but I have a feeling pirate conflicts might only be a minor part of it.

  15. Erif
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    On a slightly more serious note (not to say that lobster submarines piloted by scantily clad women aren’t serious), was I only one who was disappointed that the head pirate was an overly sexualized, laughably evil stock villain? She could have offered an interesting perspective in opposition to the main cast, but unfortunately the whole subplot was handled in a silly manner.

    But hey, on a more positive note, characters! Yes characters, not characterized ideals whose sole purpose is to debate different philosophies (I’m looking at you Psycho Pass). Gen is really branching out here.

    • Shadow
      Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:09 am | Permalink

      She’s not the main villain in this series, so it’s alright if she looks like that i guess. In fact, i seriously doubt we will ever see here again.

      • Erif
        Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

        Still, she could have been so much more. That’s what separates good writing from great writing.

    • Ana
      Posted May 11, 2013 at 8:09 am | Permalink

      Apparently Urobutcher was only involved in the writing of Episode 1. Figures.

      Also the fact that the character designs were done by a hentai artist really go a loooong way to explaining the creepy harem vibes I’m getting from that cast. The stock lesbian in particular was incredibly disappointing, I have to agree.

  16. Shadow
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    I loved this episode! But seriously, the creators are doing their best on spoiling this series like crazy. Urobuchi spoiling the premise of the series in an article, the director spoiling a couple of episodes story lines on the internet, episodes being pirate released on niconico a week before the episode actually airs on TV, Production IG spoiling future plot material on Gargantia’s site. God dammit!

  17. Ramiel
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    I like what you said about the dialogue. Seems like Gen is out to prove wrong some of the criticizers who say he can’t create good characters or good dialogue.

  18. pikachu
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    To me the most interesting aspect of this show is the classical case of out-of-context problem displayed by Gargantia’s denizens. Ledo is so unbelievably powerful that practically only two women (Bellows and Ridget) on Gargantia realized just how powerful he actually was. Maybe the commodore did too, to some extent. Everyone else (esp. Pinion) didn’t register that Ledo could singlehandedly wipe out all of Gargantia until he admitted he could. Ledo’s capabilities are so far outside the context of what Gargantians could understand that NO ONE could recognize the scale of threat he possessed.

    • blackice85
      Posted April 24, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

      Yeah it’s a good thing Pinion wasn’t in charge or everyone might have started shooting at Ledo right away. Might have ended badly for them lol

  19. R1CK_D0M
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    This episode basically killed my suspension of disbelief. How is it that all the entire fleet does when he gets back is wall him off with more shitty mechs and go MAN WE SHOULD CHASE HIM OFF OR TAKE HIS MECH when clearly he has the ability and lack of “moral compass” to do the exact same to them?

    Not to say that Red would, but to them he is alien and his priorities and inhibitions are unknown, so isn’t it smarter, and more likely, to simply assume that he can and would do the same, and open up negotiations in good faith seeing as how he hasn’t yet? Instead the only difference in their attitudes regarding Red pre and post genocide is that they are now angry because they probably have to deal with pirates.

    Also, when the pirates finally come, they ask him to not simply destroy the fleet? Given that genocide isn’t cool, he’s obviously not going to target them individually and vaporize, but just destroy like 80 or 90% of the ships with his genocide lasers? I mean their entire fleet was there and at some point it has to be easier to just destroy this band of criminal’s means of wrecking harm upon you instead of just suffer their interference. Not to mention that pirates are usually smart enough to go “oh that gigantic death machine from space isn’t something we should mess with” afterwards.

    • Mastigos
      Posted April 25, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

      Or how about just doing a simple, non-lethal show of force: Here’s your fleet. Here’s my fleet. Here’s the line of death-lasers between them. Go away.

      Alternatively, how about not waiting until the attack is actually happening to do the surgical strike against the pirate’s weapons. I mean, he is literally shown to be capable of destroying their weapons without killing any of them, so he could have just flown over to their fleet and done exactly what he did in the episode … only before the fleets make contact and the artillery bombardment starts killing people.

      Either method would have resulted in 0 casualties and made the pirate fleet back off.

      My final gripe with this episode was that the pirate fleet seemed to be inherently too large to be sustainable

      • R1CK_D0M
        Posted April 25, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

        The problem with that is that it doesn’t seem powerful enough to actually scare the pirates off. They don’t know what lasers are so all they will see is a bunch of lights going off and it’s probably hot, etc.

        It’s kind of like in the wild west if a gang of bandits was constantly harassing this one caravan. One day the bandits hear the caravan got a really powerful mercenary, so they bring their entire gang. A show of force without any real consequences will only make them think they need more guns and a plan, and taking their guns will only make them go away, get more guns, probably try and think up a plan and get more people, and come back.

        However, if say this mercenary was to make all their horses unusable (whether by killing or freeing them), and subdue the entire gang and take their weapons, sure a couple people may die and a bunch more will have broken legs, but now they know in physical terms what he’s capable of, and that they shouldn’t fight lest they incur more losses. Not to mention they’ve already lost their means to fight and would take a while to get it back again.

  20. Kioku from Laptop
    Posted July 18, 2013 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    big

    big brown

    big brown bear

    big brown bear blue bull

    big brown bear blue bull beautiful baboon

    big brown bear blue bull beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backwards

    big brown bear blue bull beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backwards bumped black bugs’ banana box

    big brown bear blue bull beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backwards bumped black bugs’ banana box and billy bunnies’ bread basket

    big brown bear blue bull beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backwards bumped black bugs’ banana box and billy bunnies’ bread basket and brother bobs’ baseball bus

    big brown bear blue bull beautiful baboon blowing bubbles biking backwards bumped black bugs’ banana box and billy bunnies’ bread basket and brother bobs’ baseball bus and buster beagles banjo-bagpipe-bugle band

    and thats what broke baby birds balloon.

    Relive your childhood ;p

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