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Bakuman episode 19

Damn, even a lightning bolt can’t get rid of Mashiro. Would you look at the thing. It split in two just before it was going to hit him. What bad luck.

Hattori lookin’ cool

Look at that grin. That suave spiky hairstyle and those sexy lips. Hattori is the man. He performs in show what I want to do myself. He’s the one who realises what a dope Mashiro is, but also realises that he has to play to the guys wishes because he can draw pictures pretty well. He performs the deeds I desperately want the show to do. You know what I’d like to see? A spin off show about Hattori as he has to deal with the emotional and spoiled manga creators coming in trying to get their works published. Maybe one of these aspiring manga authors could be Kuroneko from Ore no Imouto and we finally have the spin off both series needed in the first place. With no incest or Mashiro.

In defence of Misa Amane

This is not a character I had ever envisioned myself defending, but some of the comments about lame female characters have been spilling over into Death Note from Bakuman. Look, she hardly lights up the stage in Death Note. She’s a bimbo idiot who wants nothing other than to get into Lights pants. But that’s how she’s written and how she’s meant to be portrayed. Her actions fit that personality and work in the context of the story. She’s meant to come off as a bimbo idiot, certainly not necessarily be likeable. Miho is meant to be a character we admire for her tenacity to stick to her guns. That’s how the show has been presenting her and it doesn’t work because of the stupidly idealistic nature of the romance. Misa Amane isn’t a great character by any means, but at least she achieves what the creators set her out to do.

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  1. luffyluffy
    Posted February 15, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    “Lets’s break up Ashirogi Muto.”

    I gasped. And then I fretted.

  2. Posted February 15, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Have to give Hattori credit for working the situation the best way he knows how. He realized the ridiculousness of the situation, but didn’t outright say it. I would’ve freaked out in his situation.

    As for the horrid female character part of this post, I don’t find Misa nor Miho to be nearly as bad as most people to believe. You wanna see some horrible female characters? Watch a few Gundam series or some shounen battle manga. I could easily live with these two idiots.

    Finally, if there’s a petition for that Kuroneko spin-off I’ll sign it. We can only hope that incestuous imouto doesn’t come along for the ride.

    • Scamp
      Posted February 16, 2011 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

      Shounen females -_-

      I read 3 manga volumes for Naruto and I couldn’t figure out what it was Sakura was there for. Apparently some 82428962 volumes later, nobody else has figured out what she’s there for either

  3. Posted February 16, 2011 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    I wasn’t a big fan of Misa, and even less so the second time I watched DN, but Miho doesn’t even come close to orbiting Misa’s universe. Misa had a significant part to play and with Light was a legitimate threat to L. Miho is… completely irredeemable. They could’ve replaced her with a shiny, new car, a big house, or a golden lottery ticket and the story would’ve been the exact same (better for it actually)

    • Scamp
      Posted February 16, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

      Honestly, I care rather little about Miho compared to the massive prat that is Mashiro. Miho is lame and all, but it’s Mashiro where the main breakdown in communication between the show and the viewer is made

      • Posted February 20, 2011 at 3:10 am | Permalink

        Is Mashiro annoying?
        It is an honest question, I haven’t watched the anime (other than the 1st episode), and I am far ahead in the manga. In the manga, Mashiro isn’t annoying (he actually says some pretty cool things), but he might have been at some point, I can no longer remember.
        Then again, in the current part of the manga, both of the boys are like 20 years old, so they are technically more mature.

  4. Rosenritter
    Posted February 16, 2011 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    To me, Misa is just a branch of the enormous fucking problematic tree that is Death Note’s irritating portrayal of women, and this is why I find your defense of her still lacking. While I have no doubt that Misa was intended to come off as a total “bimbo idiot”, the issue is that EVERY OTHER RECURRING FEMALE in the series either behaves like a total fucking moron, a total fucking moron who is also an obsessed pawn, or has a personality that makes Liquid Paper seem bold and colorful. There are no good examples of women for Misa to act as a foil to.

    Light’s Mom and Sister: No distinguishing characteristics outside of these roles. The sister even gets the OH SO GLORIOUS honor of being a damsel in distress who is LITERALLY scared speechless and is promptly never mentioned again.

    Misa, Takeda: Both obsessed pawns, the former bimbo-flavored and the latter bitch-flavored, who do profoundly stupid things for literally no other reason besides wanting to gargle Light’s nuts.

    Lidner, the chick from that group L works with during that businessman arc: The only thing I remember about either of these characters is that they were female. Truly, they left such great impressions.

    Naomi Misora: EASILY had the most potential, which was ridiculously squandered. She was ex-FBI! She was out for vengeance! In achieving her goals, she could simultaneously get justice for her late fiance AND prove that dumb asshole wrong when he insisted her role was to be a happy housewife! … until she fell for a trap so blindingly suspicious that it makes me wonder if the FBI in her credentials stood for Fucking Blisteringly Idiotic. Seriously, what she did went BEYOND moronic rookie mistake, which is even more infuriating since the series kept INSISTING that she was a brilliantly intelligent investigator.

    Not only that, she gets a death that is basically “yeah she killed herself in the dark or something, whatever, who cares MOVING ON”. I spent the rest of the series hoping that Misora would pop out of the woodwork and be all “YOU THOUGHT I WOULD FALL FOR THAT, PUNK?! Here’s all the evidence I’ve gathered while spying on your ass. Thanks for being way too invested in me and giving me someone to suspect!” Until it never did.

    Rem: People say this thing is female but I totally don’t think it counts. Even if it does, same problem as Misa and Takeda, only it’s devoted to someone even shittier than Light.

    There are absolutely no well-, decently-, or even tolerably-written women in Death Note. Absolutely none. Granted, most of the men have the same problem and act like utter buffoons too, but at least SOME of them are multi-dimensional or react believably from time to time. Not so with the ladies!

    Maybe it’s because I’m female, so my radar for this kind of offensive bullshit is highly-tuned. I don’t know. Whatever. tl;dr = you can’t convince me that the creators of Death Note/Bakuman have ever even been in the same building as a woman, so the rumors of Tsugumi Ohba being a woman are utterly hilarious to me.

    • Scamp
      Posted February 16, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

      This looks like a copypasted argument so responding is kinda pointless. Plus arguing that Death Note isn’t sexist isn’t a battle I’d win anyway because, well, it is sexist. Also my view of Misora is skewed because I read the Death Note: Another Note book where she’s the main character and is a pretty competent women. That book happens to be written by Nision though, who clearly can write good female characters.

      That said, Misora’s inability to catch Light = sexism? Really? You expected her to discover Light was Kira and bring him to justice? In episode 7? She was a plot point to show how Light’s defences can be breached if he wasn’t careful and it took a full episode of persuasion before he got through her defences. Of course they wouldn’t go back to that point. Her death meant the end of the FBI cases, leaving only L’s uncertainties that she wasn’t the type of person who would ever kill herself.

      Also, was it really that obvious a trap? We have the benefit of knowing Light was Kira. She didn’t have access to the detective files the Kira investigation team had. She didn’t even know if the killer was a human or an organisation or whatever.

      • Rosenritter
        Posted February 17, 2011 at 3:01 am | Permalink

        I have a very hard time buying that the tie-in novel should count as full canon, since it’s penned by a different author. To me, that’s like pointing to a fanfic and claiming that because Character A is written well in there, he/she/it is written well in canon. (And yes, this philosophy means I don’t agree that any of the Star Wars/Trek/so on novels are canon for their respective properties either)

        I have not read said Death Note novel, but I am glad to hear her competency is improved.

        I never said I expected Misora to catch Light, simply that I wished she had actually behaved like the series insisted she did. In TVTropes lingo, she was full to bursting with Informed Ability. As a trained and experienced detective, she should not have fallen for Light’s shenanigans so easily. He’s a fucking high schooler. INSIST on meeting other members of the task force – or at least talk to Light’s dad, since I seem to remember Light name-dropping him as a “Hey, so here’s why you should believe me” argument. Light’s entire plot and manipulation hinges on her never seeking anyone else and only confiding in him. If a situation this dire were possible in real life, nobody would believe a teenager without additional 2nd party confirmation. ESPECIALLY not a celebrated detective.

        When Light’s closing the trap, he even says something along the lines of “Have you told anyone else?” aka THE BIGGEST RED-ALERT ALARM BELLS IN THE HISTORY OF THE GODDAMN UNIVERSE when it comes to investigation. The answer to that question should always be, “Yes, several people stationed in multiple cities. I also have many copies of the information hidden, some of which are set-up in such a way that they are emailed to all the major news outlets unless I enter a certain password every few days.” Even if that’s an utter bluff.

        Also, the reason I kept guessing that Misora would show up was 90% hope, 10% because I was following the manga while it was brand-new, before it was licensed and while it was being scanslated. This was before the series started to drown in storytelling and character action/motivation/everything problems, so it was very easy for me to hypothesize.

    • Posted February 17, 2011 at 2:39 am | Permalink

      Amano Akira is a woman. And Kyouko from Katekyo Hitman REBORN! is a much shittier character than Miho will ever be (I haven’t watched/read Death Note yet). She’s the only anime character I’ve hated so far.

      It’s quite possible that Ohba is a woman. We may never know.

      • Rosenritter
        Posted February 17, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

        I didn’t mean to imply that all women writers will write decent female characters, because that’s simply not true (hello, Twilight). If you ask me, it’s just more likely for men to write shitty women because, well… they’ve never been and never will be women. Men can write women well and women can write women poorly.

        The issue is more “is the character intended to be strong/sympathetic/complex?” when they really, really aren’t at all. Or if there are multiple women in a series, and they’re all absolute shit. Death Note has both of those problems.

        I’ve never seen or read Reborn, so I just need to ask. Is Kyouko the only girl in the entire series? If she is, yeah, then the author’s got a problem. If she’s NOT… are all the women as shitty as she is? Because, again, Death Note has the problem of all the women being just… just terrible.

      • seansky
        Posted February 19, 2011 at 10:08 am | Permalink

        I dont really agree with u there. There is no set on how a women shud be like, coz as we all know, there is no such thing as a set behavior for women. What you can do is to portray a women behavior that pleases the majority of the audience, or not. When u write in a shonen work, u need a female character that appeal to the shonen mindset, when u write in some girlly book, u need one that doesnt annoy the other girls, etc. So is not like whether you are a woman or not makes you a better writter of a female character, it all depends on if you are a decent enough writter to know what your targeted audience want the female to be like.

      • Rosenritter
        Posted February 19, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Permalink


        I dislike your argument because it implies that certain demographics “want” women portrayed in insulting, sexist fashions… and that this is even remotely acceptable and natural. While obviously there are many groups out there who DO want sexist portrayals of women for one reason or another, it is not something to be tolerated. It’s a mindset that should be challenged. Stories for male demographics simply do not need women to be portrayed as inferior, and no amount of writing characters that don’t “annoy the other girls” for “a girlly (sic) book” (very open-minded wording there, by the way). It’s unnecessary and insulting, not only to victimized women but also to men who do not want sexism in the entertainment targeted to them. Nobody profits.

        By the logic you have expressed (“it’s okay since it’s for this target audience”), the following should be A-OK:

        A white man in black-face makeup, making friend chicken and water melon jokes. African-Americans aren’t the target audience of minstrel shows, so it’s fine!

        Or the hook-nosed, scheming, greedy Jew cackling about how he controls the world’s media and money. Jewish people aren’t the target audience of fiction written for skinheads, so it’s fine!

        Do you see how this kind of thinking can be insulting?

      • seansky
        Posted February 20, 2011 at 6:02 am | Permalink

        We obviously dont agree to the sexist or extreme prtrayal of characters. That will always get critiqued. What i meant is just if you try to put a female character from a girl fiction into a shonen manga it will be pretty weird and to some extent inappropriate. IT is not jus female characters anyways, the male characters are the same way. Try using a shojo manga male character and put it in a shonen battle manga, and it will just be a “Crappy” male character. That is all i meant by target audience. So in turn it is not about whether the writter is a female or a male, is more about how well they know what their fiction is about (and in turn who is the target audience). Again, i do not meant any kind of twisted portrayal of anyone of any kind is to be tolerated.

        Everything in the extremes are usually wrong, but it doesnt mean when an idea in the extreme is wrong, a moderate level of the same idea is definitely wrong too.

  5. Posted February 16, 2011 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    Actually didn’t hate Misa all that much.

    And it looks like the lightning is striking the tip of his hair…

  6. imananon
    Posted February 17, 2011 at 2:27 am | Permalink

    This episode actually had some suspense. I was actually starting to care about the characters, but the timing was all…. OFF. Why didn’t the duo breaking up get put at the end of the last episode to make a cliffhanger for this one? Really??? >.>

  7. killer evil
    Posted February 17, 2011 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    All I have to say is that I like nijima にじま (I think that is his name), as I really crack up to him. He is just too funny.

    As for misa みさ I really liked the way she was done, as her role fits in both the fact that “idols” tend to be spoiled when they are at a your age. So to me her character was spot on.

    Also on a side note (you might know this already), I find it great to see how much of a different story the same mangaka can write between death note, and bakuman.

    And yes I am being lazy and not using proper english.

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